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I used to be in the scene and was trying to "make it". Still am, but I joined the trades so now I'm not broke anymore and still enjoy music every day! I enjoy my career and still have time to invest hours of my time every day into the bass. Hate to say it man but music is like 10x harder to succeed in than being an electrician.

edit: just saw that youre 39... Ive seen younger apprentices out there. Not too late though.
Music is a trade. If more people treated it as such we would be better off. Making it is paying your bills and being satisfied with your self and your life. But again, music is a trade.
 
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Yes, i think it was fun and interesting at first. Now it's making me unhappy and that's why i decided to reach out!

Realizing that it's making you unhappy (and I can understand why) is a step in the right direction. Now you have to break the desire and the habit. I think your Internet hiatus and app deletions are very good ideas and positive actions.
 
I’ll confess that my much ballyhooed “great gear purge of 2016” funded my kite foiling habit. And I’m cheap, thrifty, even, if we stretch the idea. Everything used. Everything, I’ll even scrub a used wetsuit and wear it. Eewww.

I learned this stuff back in the windsurfing days. The gear pushers are relentless. Every damn year it’s a bunch of new lies. But it’s time on the water (bass) that makes it happen. Tackle box of lures that never get wet won’t catch fish. Spiffy parts on the car or bike won’t make you faster on the track if you can’t drive.

I don’t play any better on the expensive bass if I don’t spend the hours deeply involved in playing.

But I did, log off, and have a lovely hour on the mat, and next up is taking dog out in the woods. I’ll be leaving the phone, as always, at home. Gotta keep an eye open for cougars.

Hang in there. Like others have said, being out in the scene is key.
 
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I wonder if there's any kind of 12 step program for people who don't want to be like this anymore...
There’s a huge gap in your sequence of events ..
Get a good MIA second hand P-bass (preferably with a gold anodised guard and a chocolate rosewood board) and you will never have another bass to sell for many years to come …
Fill this gap and you’re done.
 
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I recognize that many professionals got by with one instrument. Collecting is fine if you have the time and money, but if you can't even afford strings, then you shouldn't even be looking at the shiny pictures of new instruments.
^This, but it's an effects pedal thing with me.

If I'm looking, I'm eventually buying. If I'm not looking, I'm not buying.
 
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Dear Fellaz & Fellazettes,

My name is neil, i am 39y/o & i think i might have more disorders than what therapist says i have.
Over the years i have owned these basses & guitars:

Pre-hiatus:
- Cort Action Bass (first bass in 2003, sold 2007?)
- RavenWest RWG 7-Strings (sold 2011)
- Harley Benton Acoustic Fretless 5 (sold 2012)
- Washburn Taurus T25 (sold 2012)
- Rockbass Corvette 5 (sold 2012)
- Squier VM telecaster Custom (?)
- some Ibanez hollowbody guitar (?)

Post-hiatus:
- Yamaha RBX 270 FL (Sold 2015)
- Squier Vintage Modified Jazz Bass NT (traded away 2017)
- Warwick Corvette Std (Sold 2016)
- ESP-LTD B205SMFL (Sold 2017)
- Fame Baphomet 6 (Sold 2018)
- Squier Vintage Modified Precision 5 with Nordstand (?) PU (sold 2018)
- Ibanez BTB1206e Prestige (Sold 2018)
- Warwick Rockbass Starbass (Sold February 2019)
- Warwick Rockbass Corvette 5 Active (Sold December 2018)
- Squier Vintage Modified PJ Lake Placid Blue (Sold May 2019)
- Cort C6 Plus ZBMH OTAB (Sold June 2019)
- Ibanez SR306EB-WK (Sold July 2019)
- Ibanez TMB30 Mint Green (Sold January 2020)
- Squier Classic Vibe Precision '50s Lake Placid Blue (Sold March 2020)
- Vintage V74MRJP Fretless (sold May 2020)
- Harley Benton BZ-6000, (sold June 2020),
- Harley Benton E-1335 II sunburst, (gtr, given away mid 2021)
- ESP-LTD B-206SM (sold September 2020)
- Harley Benton JB-75MN Black Vintage Series (sold October 2020)
- Ibanez AGBV205A (sold December 2020)
- Sire P7 5-string Swamp Ash 1st Gen (swapped for BTB846SC, December 2020)
- Ibanez ASV10A (gtr, swapped for BTB846SC, December 2020)
- Ibanez SR506 (traded for the fretless Fame - Baphomet IV, February 2021)
- Ibanez AS83-STE Artcore Expressionist (gtr, sold March 2021)
- RMI Quantum 6 Dominic Di Piazza Signature (sold October 2021)
- Ibanez BTB846SC-DTL (sold January 2022)
- Harley Benton CST-24HB (gtr, sold January 2022)
- Fretless Fame Baphomet (sold January 2022)
- Harley Benton PB-20 SBK (sold @ October 2022)
- Squier Classic Vibe Precision Bass LRL OWT (sold February 2022)
- Squier Bronco BK (Upgraded with dual rail humbucker, new pots, cap & wiring, sold April 2022)
- Squier Classic Vibe Mustang SFG (Labella 760F-MUS) (sold June2022)
- Harley Benton HB-35 Plus - Metallic Blue (gtr, sold August 2022)
- Harley Benton Shorty P-bass (D'Addario Nylon Tapewounds, sold August 2022)
- Sire U5 NT (sold august 2022)
- Ibanez SRMD200-BKF (with Labella 760F-MUS Flats, sold October 2022)
- Squier Mini Precision Bass (sold February 2023)
- Sire P5 Alder MLG w/ SPB-3 PU (sold February 2023)

Returned to seller cuz arrived damaged:
- Squier CV Mustang LPB w/ racing stripes (2022)
- Squier Affinity Jaguar H LPB (2022)
- Greg Bennett RLB-4 (2018)
- Sire V7 1st Gen VWH (2019)
- D'Angelico semi hollow 35" (2019)
- Sire V7 Alder 5ST-BK (2018)

And i might have forgotten some... i have managed not to ruin myself over the years & i believe that, money-wise, i've broken even. But i have wasted so much time researching basses, watching/reading reviews, taking pics of my instruments to post for sale ads... talking to buyers who didn't buy, selles that didn't sell...

And i am starting to worry.

I live in Southern Spain, earn barely enough to face bills, gas etc... i have been trying to "make it" in the local music scene, & i do get to perform & record every once in a while, so i do need decent gear although being broke is a constant in my life that is pretty limiting, obviously.

I have made a decision to stick to the gear i have now: a Harley Benton MV-4MSB (passive, short scale, P/J bass, will put flats on it when money allows it), a Harley Benton TE-90FLT (only guitar i own, pretty happy with it as is, & i don't usually offer my services as a guitarist, so only use it to record @ home through a multi-FX pedal). I will soon recieve an ESP-LTD Stream 204 that will be my only active, humbucker, 34" bass.

But...
1) i have no idea if i'll manage or what i should do to stick to that decision &
2) i still feel an enormous amount of guilt & shame when i see the list above... i feel stupid for mis-investing my time & energy in all that researching, buying & selling... most of the basses i've owned were great basses that were good at doing their job. Some of them i miss now...

Those of U who are in a similar situation, how do U handle things? And how do U cope with that feeling of shame?

From the list , it seems that your first bass was entry level , and you sold that to purchase another entry level bass , and kept going. This means that you being broke has nothing to do with your bass purchasing habits - you are using the same money over and over.

You actually represent the majority of talkbass users: people that enjoy reading about stuff and trying new stuff out. There’s nothing wrong about that either ; for some people the hobby of music is playing it , for others it’s collecting musical related items, and for others it’s somewhere in between.

Now , to answer your original question , I’d find a better job that allows me to enjoy my hobby. Hobbies are meant to be fun and relaxing , not full of guilt and remorse.
 
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You're in good company.
"Comfort shopping" doesn't turn up very many deep hits on Google, but it is definitely a thing!
One phrase that stuck out to me was: "Sad people buy more."
Volunteering, spending more time with family and ironically playing gigs seems to help curb my GAS cravings. Those things help fill that empty space that would otherwise get filled by buying stuff. It is probably not a coincidence that those things also get me away from the damn computer!

You are completely correct.
In these past 4 and a half years of living in Spain i have my shares of problems. From toxic or unsatisfying relationships to the aforementioned work/Covid-related issues.
Music-wise: i started working with an american singer/songwriter who got kicked out for outstating his Visa, then with a spanish artist who went into depressin, then a soul band i loved i was bullied out by my exe's jealousy, then when i had an opportunity to enter the pro world, the singer/songwriter/famous guy in the band fell during a rehearsal and died... started playing for another band and the singer/songwriter/leader also had a depression... lol and the list goes on..

And it is true that in moments when we feel down have a tendency to reach out for stuff that makes us feel good.. like tracking down the next thing to have a honeymoon with...

But no more!! U hear?!? No mooore ;0)))
 
I hope you can come up with an answer. My way to keep from gassing for other basses may not work for you. I ended up building my own fretted 6 and fretless 6 and they are the only ones I want to play. So no more temptations. Amps on the other hand...:rollno:

A bass made by me would probably look like a drawing made by a 4 year-old...
The craziest thing i've ever done like that i changing the pickup in a Bronco, soldering pots and shielding cavities looool
 
No need to feel shame at all. Most of us who play or make music go on some kind of journey where we explore the tools and options available. it's part of the process. If you've reach a point that you're happy with, all of those past instruments helped you get there. Feel lucky that you've had that opportunity to try them all :)


True.. i need to see it as a learning experience & let it go!
 
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I suggest you schedule a meeting with your psychologist ASAP. It is possible to be happy with fewer basses. Very happy! I used to own several and now have one. I am getting one more for a different sound, but it's all I need. You can do it too. Good luck!


Well i am seeing her tomorrow at 11AM!

And i cant have fewer basses: just one now, and one guitar.. with a second bass coming soon, and that's where i plan to stop.. stop browing, uninstal second hand shopping apps & such.. i have already unfollowed bass manufacturers on Instagram which is the only social media i still have...
 
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From the list , it seems that your first bass was entry level , and you sold that to purchase another entry level bass , and kept going. This means that you being broke has nothing to do with your bass purchasing habits - you are using the same money over and over.

You actually represent the majority of talkbass users: people that enjoy reading about stuff and trying new stuff out. There’s nothing wrong about that either ; for some people the hobby of music is playing it , for others it’s collecting musical related items, and for others it’s somewhere in between.

Now , to answer your original question , I’d find a better job that allows me to enjoy my hobby. Hobbies are meant to be fun and relaxing , not full of guilt and remorse.

I think my shame also comes from the fact that i feel stupid for having mis-invested all that time instead of playing.. that's when it started becoming a source of "guilt and remorse". but yeah.. it's all a big learning experience, that's all!

U are completely right about my buying/selling habits... i didn't completely stagnate though as i slowly gravited from the 200€ mark to instruments in the 1100€ (BTB846SC) or even 1500€ (RMI Quantum 6). But yeah generally speaking i was re-using the same money all the time!
 
I like variety and own several different types, not just 'slab o’wood' basses. It keeps it interesting for me. No shame here.

Great career, divorced, no kids, my own house, very low mortgage payment, just a bedroom bass playing hack.

Life’s too short
Don’t worry
Be happy

No. 123 was delivered yesterday
Made an offer Friday that I was sure would be rejected and viola, brand new Guild Jumbo Junior.

I’m happy as a pig in ...

Haha! Congrats!!
Imma get myself a better job for sure
 
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If your goal is to play and create, you are spending too much time researching and collecting. If the latter is causing you stress then there is no benefit to continuing down that path. Sounds like you figured that out and are moving in a more positive direction.

Edit: if this is continuing to cause you excessive stress and is hurting you financially then I agree with others that seeing a psychologist or counselor is worthwhile. It's not fun and games if you can't pay your bills and people can become addicted to just about anything.

Yeah Ur first paragraph is totally correct.
Let me clarify though that i do pay all my bills whenever they are due. I am kinda responsible after all! Obligations first, and then hobbies and misdirecting the energy that i should be injecting into creating stuff lol
 
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I think it’s pretty obvious you are not satisfied with the lower end gear you have been cycling through. I would suggest that you stop now and start saving money until you can afford higher end gear. At that point you may find what you are looking for that you can’t find with all these “budget” options you are running through.
 
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Changing a habit starts with taking inventory. An accurate accounting of the situation. You did that.

Did you lose money? Maybe. Time? Yep. All the hours hunting, the foreplay of deciding and justifying the need, the buy, set ups, strings, mods, ….the collecting dust phase, and finally the decision to sell, selling, shipping, delivery….. time lost. It’s a cycle of hunting a gathering, your primitive brain loves this stuff.

That’s a lot of practice time and tunes not learned.

I’ve been there. And I came the same place, sold everything that wasn’t nailed down to get to a minimum. A bass, an amp, a multi fx to spice up the sound, and lately a guitar. The gear churn is a huge distraction from the primary mission.

It’s not going to change overnight, but it will change if you keep at it. Getting off the internet and journaling your experience will be super helpful. Check out your daily routine. Take note of how many times you reach for that phone. Leave the phone at home and go out for a walk or hike.

Practice away from the computer if it’s eating into your practice time.

Try some yoga, it’s meditation for people who can’t sit still, and a great workout. And it’s free, just a mat, and maybe some Yoga with Adrienne YouTube. See? The whole quitting the internet is going to be tough. Use it, don’t let it use you.

Every bit of content we consume, somebody produced with their own goals in mind. You are the resource they want to extract. Don’t let them strip mine your brain.

Ok, that’s my internet coffee time, I’m off to my yoga mat. Good luck!

Yes, i am doing a couple of things U mention:
One guitar with its multi-FX, two basses (cuz i cannot spend a day without playing and if one dies on me....) and a multi-FX. I only have one combo or play through my Scarlet 2i2 interface. I am keeping it minimalistic.
And i monitor how much i use my phone also, in the Settings section there is a "Digital Wellbeing and parental control" where i can see&limit gow much time i use apps/phone.
Now i need to get more disciplined...
 
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As someone who, in the past has made a meager living doing music related things professionally (read: had 2 or 3 day jobs, plus music freelancing playing bass/doing live sound/producing and still had to juggle which bills were late that month) i can feel your pain. It sucks and it feels like you're trapped in a never ending struggle to always be doing something to achieve some kind of success (even if that success is just a middle class lifestyle without the constant threat of imminent financial collapse.)

Keep talking to a therapist. Hopefully Spain provides decent access to mental health care for people who can't really afford it.

To your question/post:
You've identified something you think is an issue. Cool. Don't go down thought spirals about how much of a problem it was that got you here. You can't go back and change things. What you can do is acknowledge it was an issue and adjust/adapt what you do in the future.

For example, you've pointed out how much gear you've acquired and sold over the years, and that you spend endless time researching basses and gear and watching reviews and etc etc etc. For one thing, might seem obvious or dumb, but, stop doing research for gear you don't need. If you play bass and guitar, you legit only need one bass and one guitar. If you have a solid working bass and a solid working guitar, you don't need another one. So why research other instruments? Yeah, they all sound slightly different, and all have different levels of craftsmanship, and they all have different colors, and they have different pickup styles, and, and, and... none of that matters. They're different versions of the same thing: Making bass sounds. What matters is you have a bass you can play already.

I had 2 basses: the first one my parents got me when i was 14, and a 6 string i saved up for and bought when i was 17. After that i was too broke to buy another instrument. So i didn't. I survived on those 2 basses for decades. I only just ordered more bases this year because i have the money. Were those two bases perfect? No. no bass is. There's always another bass that does something different better. It doesn't matter. I didn't get a gig because i had the "wrong bass" exactly zero times. Your current bass is a passive PJ bass. That bass is perfect for almost any genre you're gonna play. You don't even need to put on flats. It's perfectly functional as-is.

I do music production and electronic music too. There's new gear and plugins released every single day. As a rule, i don't research gear or plugins unless i specifically need to buy them. And the "need to buy" comes when i have an actual need, or i'm up against a wall and can't proceed without it. For example: If my audio interface breaks or is old enough to not work with the ports on my computer, i'll research audio interfaces because i need a new one. Otherwise, i won't even look at what's available. Why waste time and energy and brain space on gear i don't need? That time and effort is better spent making music.

So, again, stop looking at gear you don't need. It serves no function in trying to achieve any of your goals.

In fact, why not do something actionable: Every time you want to look at any gear, go practice a scale, or a song, or learn something new on the bass. And if you actually go through with watching the review, you have to do something productive for twice as long, or whatever.

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And i know personally, one of the most difficult things in music is getting gigs when you're broke. Part of getting gigs is being out and seen at shows and jams and being present in the scene. But when you're broke and can't afford cover charges or drinks, or even the bus fare/gas costs to go out, how do you keep yourself active in the scene? It's a terrible catch 22.

I would suggest trying to figure out a way to be around music. Maybe a side job bar backing or working the door or something at a venue a couple nights a week. That way you're around other musicians AND getting some extra money. Maybe start a weekly small jam at your house, or a friend's house if it's possible. Encourage people to bring friends, so it's as much a networking/hang-out as it is a jam, and you don't have to spend money at a bar or venue? There's so many little things you can do. But the frustrating bit is there's no guarantees. So don't get frustrated on when things don't work, and just keep trying new things that might work.

My success only came recently, and i'm only a few years older than you. (Feel free to PM me if you want to know more about my situations. Don't feel like running through the whole thing on the open forum post, but don't mind sharing neither.)

Completely spot on!
The first paragraph is my experience too...except i only work one real job & try to earn money on the side...
U are completely right about everything.. i am staying away from review channels from now on.. because honestly i don't want to feel like there is better than what i own out there. I just need to hone my skills and that has to be enough for now!
 
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