edwinhurwitz
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This comes from "producers" who don't know much about production.
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Audio "STEMS" are NOT "Individual Audio Tracks"
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I love it when people say that “language evolves” as a way of explaining away ignorance and misuse of terms.
Dude I can't help if you don't read the post properly.
The "lame emoji response" was in response to your opening statement, but that's about the level of attitude I've come to expect of some on this forum.
Tapeop is fantastic.
Peace.
'There's glory for you!'
'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they're the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'
'Would you tell me please,' said Alice, 'what that means?'
'Now you talk like a reasonable child,' said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. 'I meant by "impenetrability" that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life.'
'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'
'Oh!' said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.
'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they're the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'
'Would you tell me please,' said Alice, 'what that means?'
'Now you talk like a reasonable child,' said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. 'I meant by "impenetrability" that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life.'
'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'
'Oh!' said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.
It's a matter of accepting how things are in reality rather than wedding ourselves to things being just as we want them to be.
It doesn't actually matter how people use the term 'stems', language is incredibly arbitrary and meanings change all the time. People use this word to describe something it didn't used to describe.The world will keep turning and recordings will get made.
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I refer the honourable gentleman to previous answer
"The only agrument against things evolveing and changing is "Thats's not what I'm used to and I don't like it, make it stop""
What I'm seeing from a lot on this forum is that they are placing 100% of the onus on what is being said and probably have the view that communication is 50/50.
I was taught that communication is 100/100 i.e. one has 100% responsibility for what is being said and the other has 100% responsibility on how they respond.
It's quite funny to seeing adults acting in such a childish manner. Where the goal seems to be being right above everything else.
An apt question as purple photons don't exist, nor does purple exist on the light spectrum. It's a psychological creation. I'm not a scientist, but this chap speaks eloquently on the matter in a sophisticated accent, so I'm inclined to believe him
You should be a little worried....What's kinda scary is that I've told people the exact same thing while great minds think alike... well.. some times I think like other people that have great minds
Language also has the ability to express meaning with precision, and that precision is often lost when people misuse words.
Yeah totally, sometimes we do lose precision.
The word 'stem' now refers to
- Summed exports of like parts,
- Un-summed exports of individual tracks,
- The main stalk of a plant,
- The supporting or main part of a structure (the stem of a wine glass for example),
- To stop or restrict something (to stem the flow),
- To originate or come from (eg: to describe the changing use of a word by speakers of a language as 'misuse' stems from the discredited prescriptivist approach to linguistics
).
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And sometimes that precision is (obviously) dependent on context. When it comes to recording, the context used to make the meaning of "stem" clear. That clarity has now been muddied. "Evolution" at work.Yeah totally, sometimes we do lose precision.
The word 'stem' now refers to
- Summed exports of like parts,
- Un-summed exports of individual tracks,
- The main stalk of a plant,
- The supporting or main part of a structure (the stem of a wine glass for example),
- To stop or restrict something (to stem the flow),
- To originate or come from (eg: to describe the changing use of a word by speakers of a language as 'misuse' stems from the discredited prescriptivist approach to linguistics
Evolution is just a process by which things adapt and survive, not a guarantee that they do so efficiently.
I think you've hit the real point here on communication, context is not only key, but essential, the words we use are in fact less important in and of themselves than the meaning one is trying to convey. Being able to pull out the intended meaning is an art and is essential to being a good communicator.
Many things (including words) evolve and die.
It's awful isn't it!
I was kinda hoping someone would bite on this but......
Awful originally meant "filled with awe" and then to inspire with awe before finally being a descriptor for ABBA songs (I only half jest!)
There will be a TB thread not too far off in the future, when the most professional of pros will write "Do you remember when Stems meant......" and people will say are yes I remember those days and everyone will rejoice.
edwinhurwitz
Supporting Member
Exactly. If I'm contracted to work on some audio and someone says they are sending me stems to mix to picture and then send me unmixed tracks, the details of our professional working agreement has changed and budgets and timelines will not be met. All abstractions aside about evolution of language, precise language matters and using it imprecisely has consequences (let's not even delve into my world as an immigration attorney).
"Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding." - Hobbes the stuffed tiger
(His response to Calvin's statement that "Verbing Weirds Language", one of my favorite strips. hehe)
all I know about stems is when that's all that's left in the bag, it's time to get more.... 
I have trouble with the word "neologism". I also protest the fact that "irregardless" is an actual word according to most dictionaries.
And I also find it embarrassing that spelling bees are only a thing in English-speaking countries, because English is the only language where spelling is apparently difficult by design.
And I thought Stems were science, technology, engineering, and math (which I refuse to pluralize).
Exactly. Nothing evolved. They are throwing around big words they don't understand trying to look important. Stems are and have always been different things.
