Huh? Whats an extended-bandwidth cab? What do you mean by post-dirt EQ? Are you saying that eq'ing after fuzz or dirt and running a mixed dry/ effected single will keep the TCs horn from getting damaged.
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AudioKinesis 112 Cab
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Huh? Whats an extended-bandwidth cab? What do you mean by post-dirt EQ? Are you saying that eq'ing after fuzz or dirt and running a mixed dry/ effected single will keep the TCs horn from getting damaged.
Okay. Some clarification here.
-The compression driver is the sound-producing part of the "horn." The "Horn" is actually referred to as a "waveguide" because it helps guide the sound waves into a particular dispersion pattern.
-I recommended using the rolloff switch for taste reasons, not to protect the compression driver.
-The compression driver is far, far more sensitive than the woofer, so Duke "padded it back" significantly to make the volumes more equal, meaning that it gets significantly less power from an amp then the woofer, on the order of around 10%.
-I believe he mentioned it was rated for 50w, which means that in this application it can take around 500w before having an issue.
-However, this is not the whole story, since the lower frequencies take significantly more power to produce, and the horn doesn't really reproduce anything below 800Hz or so. This means that even if you were running your 500W head flat out into the Thunderchild, the horn would likely not be seeing anywhere NEAR that amount of power since most of it goes to reproducing the low otes. Thus, it would really take a LOT of power to blow the compression driver, to the point where you'd be risking the woofer anyway.
-TL;DR: Don't worry about blowing the horn. You won't do it, until you're really risking blowing the woofer too.
-An extended-bandwidth cab is a fancy way of saying that a cab has the ability to reproduce a greater-than-average frequency range; typically through the application of woofers and tweeters, and possibly midrange speakers as well.
-Since we are used to hearing distortion through one-way cabs (cabs without dedicated high frequency speakers) the extended high end offered by these extended-bandwidth cabs can often sound "harsh," "buzzy," or "synthy" because we're used to hearing the attenuation of higher frequencies that one-way cabs tend to exhibit.
-In order to combat this, Greenboy was recommending some sort of EQ after your dirt pedals specifically to attenuate these higher frequencies to avoid the "harsh" or "buzzy" sound you can get while running distortion into some of them.
ya, good stuff. when i tried the prototype that didn't have the switch, i used a vt pedal to cut those highs because it has that built into it. but i also tried dirt without the vt. and you know, i wouldn't run a fuzz pedal into it that way, but your garden variety dirt sounded pretty good. if you like your dirt a little more intense, it might be a way to ratchet it up a notch that doesn't sound all cheap and buzzy.
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In Memoriam
I received my Thunderchild yesterday. I've only had an hour of playing time with it but here are my first impressions.
I was packaged very well; made it across country in perfect condition. When I took it out of the box I immediately was struck by the high quality of Duke's workmanship. Built like a (very light) tank and cosmetically perfect. Very easy to lift and carry due not only to the weight, but the dimensions of the cab and the recessed (nice) top handle.
I've only used it with my Shuttle 9 so far, LMII is next. The tone is very PA-like IMO, in the very best way. It's extremely clear across the entire spectrum. It also projects more than any cab I've had in recent memory. At even low volumes things were vibrating in my music room that haven't vibrated before with other cabs at higher volumes.
Lastly, Duke was terrific to work with. Very nice and very professional, start to finish. Delivery was pretty much right on the schedule he gave me on Day 1. Thanks Duke!
I'll likely post again with a comparison of the LMII (on which Ken has favorably commented) versus the Shuttle 9. Can anyone say Streamliner 900?
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I was packaged very well; made it across country in perfect condition. When I took it out of the box I immediately was struck by the high quality of Duke's workmanship. Built like a (very light) tank and cosmetically perfect. Very easy to lift and carry due not only to the weight, but the dimensions of the cab and the recessed (nice) top handle.
I've only used it with my Shuttle 9 so far, LMII is next. The tone is very PA-like IMO, in the very best way. It's extremely clear across the entire spectrum. It also projects more than any cab I've had in recent memory. At even low volumes things were vibrating in my music room that haven't vibrated before with other cabs at higher volumes.
Lastly, Duke was terrific to work with. Very nice and very professional, start to finish. Delivery was pretty much right on the schedule he gave me on Day 1. Thanks Duke!
I'll likely post again with a comparison of the LMII (on which Ken has favorably commented) versus the Shuttle 9. Can anyone say Streamliner 900?
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I received my Thunderchild yesterday. I've only had an hour of playing time with it but here are my first impressions.
I was packaged very well; made it across country in perfect condition. When I took it out of the box I immediately was struck by the high quality of Duke's workmanship. Built like a (very light) tank and cosmetically perfect. Very easy to lift and carry due not only to the weight, but the dimensions of the cab and the recessed (nice) top handle.
I've only used it with my Shuttle 9 so far, LMII is next. The tone is very PA-like IMO, in the very best way. It's extremely clear across the entire spectrum. It also projects more than any cab I've had in recent memory. At even low volumes things were vibrating in my music room that haven't vibrated before with other cabs at higher volumes.
Lastly, Duke was terrific to work with. Very nice and very professional, start to finish. Delivery was pretty much right on the schedule he gave me on Day 1. Thanks Duke!
I'll likely post again with a comparison of the LMII (on which Ken has favorably commented) versus the Shuttle 9. Can anyone say Streamliner 900?
That 9 looks sharp with that cab!
I received my Thunderchild yesterday. I've only had an hour of playing time with it but here are my first impressions.
I was packaged very well; made it across country in perfect condition. When I took it out of the box I immediately was struck by the high quality of Duke's workmanship. Built like a (very light) tank and cosmetically perfect. Very easy to lift and carry due not only to the weight, but the dimensions of the cab and the recessed (nice) top handle.
I've only used it with my Shuttle 9 so far, LMII is next. The tone is very PA-like IMO, in the very best way. It's extremely clear across the entire spectrum. It also projects more than any cab I've had in recent memory. At even low volumes things were vibrating in my music room that haven't vibrated before with other cabs at higher volumes.
Lastly, Duke was terrific to work with. Very nice and very professional, start to finish. Delivery was pretty much right on the schedule he gave me on Day 1. Thanks Duke!
I'll likely post again with a comparison of the LMII (on which Ken has favorably commented) versus the Shuttle 9. Can anyone say Streamliner 900?
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Looks really nice!
Congratulations and I'm looking forward to the Shuttle 9/LMII comparison with the ThunderChild!
Does anyone out there who is planning on purchasing one of these own a Mesa Boogie M6 (or M9)?
Not very many of these out yet, but if someone already has one and an M6 or M9 chime in.
I'd be interested in how they match-up.
[An M6/M9 and a pair of these would be scary powerful methinks.]
Not very many of these out yet, but if someone already has one and an M6 or M9 chime in.
I'd be interested in how they match-up.
[An M6/M9 and a pair of these would be scary powerful methinks.]
Me too, given that I have an LMII and a ThunderChild somewhere in the pipeline. Or, I suppose I can stay patient.
I'll be able to A/B by Saturday at the latest and will post my (very subjective) findings
I'm looking forward to more detailed comments of how the ThunderChild sounds with a Walkabout head!
Yeah, not so sure about that one. The Thunderchild sounds great, but really can use some power. I'm sure it will sound great, but my guess is you won't get max volume out of this cab with that particular head.
Ok, so it's not so great ... but here it is anyway.
I promised I'd give my opinion on the Shuttle 9 versus the LMII with my new Thunderchild. I figured, what the heck, I might as well throw my LDS 12/6 into the fray. I did a mix and match of the 2 basses, 2 amps, and 2 cabs pictured below and my humble opinion is as follows:
First, there are no losers in this bake off. I could be happy with any pairing of these amps and cabs. I've loved my LMII for years and my LDS 12/6 ranks near the top of my all-time favorite cabs. IMHO, if anyone picked any of these out of a hat, plugged them in and hit the stage, they'd be happy campers. As I said in an earlier post, I can get these two heads to sound very, very similar with EQ.
SUMMARY: The Shuttle 9 gets the nod over the LMII; the Thunderchild beats out the 12/6. In both cases, amp and cab, the Thunderchild and Shuttle 9 had an edge in clarity. Again, tonally I could get any pairing extremely close, but the 12/6 and LMII sounded just a bit darker and woolier to my ear.
Sorry, it's not a very techno-babble analysis, just a subjective preference on what I'm hearing with my settings and playing style. Your mileage could certainly vary.
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I promised I'd give my opinion on the Shuttle 9 versus the LMII with my new Thunderchild. I figured, what the heck, I might as well throw my LDS 12/6 into the fray. I did a mix and match of the 2 basses, 2 amps, and 2 cabs pictured below and my humble opinion is as follows:
First, there are no losers in this bake off. I could be happy with any pairing of these amps and cabs. I've loved my LMII for years and my LDS 12/6 ranks near the top of my all-time favorite cabs. IMHO, if anyone picked any of these out of a hat, plugged them in and hit the stage, they'd be happy campers. As I said in an earlier post, I can get these two heads to sound very, very similar with EQ.
SUMMARY: The Shuttle 9 gets the nod over the LMII; the Thunderchild beats out the 12/6. In both cases, amp and cab, the Thunderchild and Shuttle 9 had an edge in clarity. Again, tonally I could get any pairing extremely close, but the 12/6 and LMII sounded just a bit darker and woolier to my ear.
Sorry, it's not a very techno-babble analysis, just a subjective preference on what I'm hearing with my settings and playing style. Your mileage could certainly vary.
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That is a beautiful picture. Holy Moly! That makes it clear how small the TC is also!
Actually, good review and right on. From my experience with a number of 12/6 cabs, and the Thunder Child, and my LMII and F500 (instead of your Shuttle 9... my F500, which is in the same direction as the Shuttle of a bit clearer, punchier, brighter and louder), I agree 100%.
Actually, good review and right on. From my experience with a number of 12/6 cabs, and the Thunder Child, and my LMII and F500 (instead of your Shuttle 9... my F500, which is in the same direction as the Shuttle of a bit clearer, punchier, brighter and louder), I agree 100%.
I liked your review on both of these, especially mixing basses, amps, and cabs to get a clearer picture of what tone you liked better. I think I may get a thunderchild in the future! ........ but dam that 12/6 looks nice!
well, Duke got my deposit today so we'll see how it stacks up against my Bergs. I'm always looking for a smaller/lighter solution that will still go loud when necessary. I should have a Streamliner 900 by the time it ships as well 
Based on your a/b with these two cabs, which is louder?
Anyone know off hand if Duke can do an 8 ohm Thunderchild?
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