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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

First impressions of the Changeling 112 (serial number 1)

I dig it. Some things feel right and some things seem to miss expectations.
I like this cab. I like the sound. The tonal options are way cool too. I probably have more options to configure different tones in the cab than I do in my amp. The cab is easy to carry around; the handle feels good in my hand. See pic to show the size diff between the AudioKinesis C112 and the Greenboy F112.

So a couple of first impressions, after these caveats.
Played it only two hours in two different living rooms on a holiday weekend; not on a gig yet.
Also played only my Godin A4 fretless through the cab so far; that's what I had with me on vacation this weekend. It's not my main player though I do enjoy playing fretless on jazz standards. My main player is an eight pound Lakland 55-02 and two other Lakie fivers run close second so there's lot of experimenting to do.
And last, lots of players have real world gig experience with AudioKinesis cabs and anything they say should get more weight than my first thoughts.

I came home today and thought I'd create a couple of sound files to compare the AK C112 to my GreenBoy F112. One of my expectations is that these two will pair nicely on outdoor gigs and large room gigs.

Using an iPad mini with iReal Pro as the backing track generator on All the Things You Are, Godin A4 fretless, Acoustic Image Focus 2R (fretless bass in channel one and iPad output left and right combined into channel two). These things as input into first the C112 (all switches up) and then the F112 (treble pot maxed). No changes to settings on the fretless, the iPad, the amp or anything between takes. The only change was moving the amp output Neutrik connector from one cab to the other. The recordings are on my dinky iPhone placed about four feet in front of each cab about four inches off the floor. There's noise and other amateur stuff you can hear in these rough one take recordings.

I noticed a big difference in volume between the two cabs when the switch for the rear firing 3" mid speaker was off. The diff was big enough that I had to set the switch to on to get close to even volume for the cabs, and that's how I recorded. So this brings up a question for Duke. When the rear mid is off (mostly off as you've described) does all the rest of the power go to the two front firing speakers?

And another question is this: since the C112 sounds so good with the rear 3 mid ON, would it be useful to some players to get a C112 without the switch? that is, leave all 3 speakers firing all the time; leave the other two switches and port options in place, of course. Would that give even a small bump in cab efficiency or weight change?

First file is the signal chain as described into the AKC112; second is the GBF112

*** TB wouldn't let me upload my sound files as .m4a file types.
Hope I did the conversion to mp3 correctly. ***

Thanks for taking the time to note your impressions and make the recordings (nice upright approximation on the Godin, by the way). With the iPhone/no changes to EQ caveats, I hear a bigger, deeper low end from the F112, but I hear the Changeling as livelier and more detailed through the mids -- the recording of the F112 sounds a bit muffled in comparison -- the piano and drums also come across more clearly in the AK clip, and the bass sounds more of a piece with the (virtual) ensemble. I won't extrapolate too much from those quick clips -- I suspect a lot could be done with a little EQ -- but that's how they sound to me through a pair of halfway decent headphones.

...I do have a Changeling 112T in the pipeline, the "T" being for "tall". It's 22 inches tall (same height as the Thunderchild 112). Not enough of a difference to put the low end into Greenboy territory, but still a little bit bigger low end than the 18" tall regular version...
Interesting -- though I dig the Hathor's dinky form-factor as it is, I wonder how the low ends of the regular and tall versions would compare, particularly sealed (since that's how I find myself running it most of the time -- less extension that way, but I'm drawn to the quick thump). That might be another way to achieve the slightly different cab tunings you've discussed as being potentially beneficial in a stack (or does that only apply to ports?).
 
Duke, here's a (thoroughly non-professional) example of your TC112v3 in action. SM58 on the 12, Sennheiser 421 on the horn. TH500 head. I put both my Fender Mustang PJ and Squier Strat through the rig. The 'drums' are a floor tom with a pillow on it for the kick, a snare, and a rain drum for the 'tom'. Oh, and a brass candlestick for a hi hat. Three stereo tracks of guitar, one stereo track of bass. Everything but the drums went through the amp and cab.

Well in my totally unprofessional opinion, I really dig your tune, your playing, your mix, and your tones.

Pardon me for being slow on the uptake. The three stereo guitar tracks and one stereo bass track are all being played through the Thunderchild cab, which is mic'd as described, right? Are you then playing percussion while you playback the guitar and bass tracks through the cab? If so, then I assume you have various mics for the percussion?

Sorry for the dumb questions. I'm just trying to picture in my mind what's going on. It's probably not as complexicated as what I'm envisioning.

How many arms do you have??

One of my expectations is that these two will pair nicely on outdoor gigs and large room gigs.

I hope they complement one another well. Actually I think the Thunderchild cab in Marial's clip would be more likely to approximate the Fearless 112, but less likely to complement it.

Playing this combo back-and-forth with my 18 Sound MAS 112, the 112 still kicks harder at the bottom of its register and, with its tweeter, is a bit more clear up top, but the Hathor+sub has more chest-hit and a rounder, more bouncy-feeling envelope. Soloed bridge pickup is thicker. I told Mike that the combo strikes me, in some ways, as a "Flex Lite" -- not a bad thing.

I remember Mike telling me in a phone call a year or two ago that he thought those two cabs would play well together. He was just envisioning (enhearening?) in his mind what my cab would sound like based on my description of what was in it and what I was trying to do, and then he mentally mixed that with his cab, and concluded "I bet they would sound good together." So every time I hear about someone trying it and liking it, I tip my virtual hat to Mike.

Thanks for taking the time to note your impressions and make the recordings (nice upright approximation on the Godin, by the way). With the iPhone/no changes to EQ caveats, I hear a bigger, deeper low end from the F112, but I hear the Changeling as livelier and more detailed through the mids -- the recording of the F112 sounds a bit muffled in comparison -- the piano and drums also come across more clearly in the AK clip, and the bass sounds more of a piece with the (virtual) ensemble. I won't extrapolate too much from those quick clips -- I suspect a lot could be done with a little EQ -- but that's how they sound to me through a pair of halfway decent headphones.

I would expect the Changeling's low end to be a slightly under-represented in the recording because the ports are around back, which doesn't make any difference at audience listening distances, but probably makes some difference when the mic is four feet in front of the cab.

Interesting -- though I dig the Hathor's dinky form-factor as it is, I wonder how the low ends of the regular and tall versions would compare, particularly sealed (since that's how I find myself running it most of the time -- less extension that way, but I'm drawn to the quick thump). That might be another way to achieve the slightly different cab tunings you've discussed as being potentially beneficial in a stack (or does that only apply to ports?).

The Changeling 112 models -2.5 dB at 62 Hz, and the Changeling 112T models -1.0 dB at 62 Hz, all ports open in both cases.

In sealed box mode, those numbers are -6.5 dB and -6.2 dB, respectively. So there is less difference in sealed box mode.

I don't think there is any "different tunings" advantage to having different sized sealed boxes, as the different tunings thing is to minimize the effects of pitch-shifting in the direction of the Helmholtz resonance as the note decays. But there might be some advantage to having a bunch of different port tunings to play around with on one of the boxes, while the other remained sealed.

H1203 in action yesterday. Outdoor gig, second gig for the "Brazilian trio" lineup/sets. This is the Fodera 6'er, Mesa D800 head, just a bit of crunch in the tone.

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My brother's wife is from Brazil. I just sent him the link. Thanks!
 
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Duke. Your responses and information are always helpful, and certainly I'm pleased with the Changeling 112 so far, the sound and the size and the build quality and the options. Can't wait to gig it. I should have taken a moment to proofread my post before posting. My phrase "some things seem to miss expectations" is unfortunately broad when there was only one point to ask about. At the time I was thinking about running the C112 and the F112 in parallel and how that would sound. The overall cab apparent volume difference between rear mid off and on did surprise me and I was wondering if I'd get somewhat equal volume on each cab (not tone) when running the two cabs in parallel and the rear mid switch is off.

And regarding the sound files, @MarkA made some helpful observations
"I hear a bigger, deeper low end from the F112, but I hear the Changeling as livelier and more detailed through the mids -- the recording of the F112 sounds a bit muffled in comparison"

This makes me think I should have recorded with my phone up higher for both recordings where it would pick up more range from all the speakers, not near the floor where the lows from the 12 dominate.
 
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Well in my totally unprofessional opinion, I really dig your tune, your playing, your mix, and your tones.

Pardon me for being slow on the uptake. The three stereo guitar tracks and one stereo bass track are all being played through the Thunderchild cab, which is mic'd as described, right? Are you then playing percussion while you playback the guitar and bass tracks through the cab? If so, then I assume you have various mics for the percussion?

Sorry for the dumb questions. I'm just trying to picture in my mind what's going on. It's probably not as complexicated as what I'm envisioning.

How many arms do you have??

Hah! Only two arms, but via the magic of modern recording technology I just recorded the beat first, then overdubbed everything else. ;)

As aside, I really dig Sonar and the Focusrite Scarlett. They're both a vast improvement over the Cubase/Steingberg CI2 set up I was using previously.
 
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Forgive me if you already addressed this, Duke, but can you talk about the different design goals for the Hathor 1203 versus the Changeling, and how the two of them sound/perform relative to each other?
Agreed, Duke, but while you're at it, perhaps consider the TC-112 in the mix as well so we understand your overview of the 12"-based product goals. Sorry Tom, hope that doesn't derail :smug:.
 
Hah! Only two arms, but via the magic of modern recording technology I just recorded the beat first, then overdubbed everything else.

Thanks! I shoulda known. About the only having two arms, I mean.

;^)

Forgive me if you already addressed this, Duke, but can you talk about the different design goals for the Hathor 1203 versus the Changeling, and how the two of them sound/perform relative to each other?

Agreed, Duke, but while you're at it, perhaps consider the TC-112 in the mix as well so we understand your overview of the 12"-based product goals. Sorry Tom, hope that doesn't derail .

Okay, so you guys are bringing out the double Toms...

Seriously, I thank you both for your interest and your questions.

The Hathor 1203 was an attempt to strike a particular balance between size/weight/cost and "sounds good on electric bass", and of course its secret weapon was that little open-format mid chamber. Then the Birdhaus 46, with its uber-wide dispersion, was well received, particularly for jazz and double-bass. The Changeling 112 is sort of a combination of the two concepts, though obviously it looks more like a Hathor than like a Birdhaus.

Let me back up for just a minute. I've been doing "poly-directional" speakers in home audio for quite some time. My first amateur polydirectional builds date back to the late 1980's, and imo my polydirectionals have always been my best-sounding speakers. But I wasn't sure the concept would play well in a live music setting.

You see, the best wisdom of the day says that, for a good PA system, you want to maximize the amount of direct sound the audience gets, and minimize the amount of reflections they get. So PA systems ideally have radiation patterns no wider than they need to be for audience coverage. My Thunderchild cabs were essentially small PA cabs... which imo sound better with the "acoustic friendly" rear-firing tweeter!

So I should have done the Changeling cabs long ago, as there was enough evidence to justify the venture. I just hadn't thought it through yet.

The thing I learned all too slowly is, for a bass cab, the audience INCLUDES the bass player, and may well include the other musicians! So the Changeling cabs are taking what the Hathors started to the next level, with the added benefit of better approximating an acoustic instrument like upright bass.

Unfortunately, to get into Changeling land, we trade off some of the weight and cost benefits of the Hathors. We also trade off a little bit of low-end extension... my most recent calculations indicate that the three-port Hathor 1203 is -2.5 dB @ 62 Hz (the singleporter was -3.0 dB at 62 Hz), and the three-port Changeling 112 is -3.0 dB at 62 Hz, due to losing about 1/10th cubic foot of internal volume to the rear-firing mid chamber.

It is possible the Changelings might turn out to be something big. In situations where the band doesn't have monitors, I think it would usually be of benefit to the entire band to be able to hear the bass player's cab. He's the one who lays down the groove, not only for the audience but also for the band. And what benefits the band, benefits everyone in the house. Well that's my theory - as of this writing, there's only the one Changeling cab out there, and it hasn't been gigged yet.

The Birdhaus cabs arguably have a better radiation pattern from a "bass for the band" standpoint, but I'm less able to tweak the tonal balance the way I want with that format. Theoretically I could do two-way Birdhaus cabs, but that would be really complicated, expensive, and heavy. So I think the Changeling format has more potential once practicality is factored in.

The Thunderchild was designed as a "hi-fi" cab, so what goes in = what comes out with relatively little "editorializing" by the cab. I've sold a few to luthiers. The current version has the midrange smoothy/grindy switch, but it's really just a hint of grindy in grindy mode (on paper the upper-mid peak is about 5 db, but that's the on-axis figure and it's all coming from the woofer and the woofer is beaming, so subjectively it's still just a hint). And those nice low-coloration constant-directivity horns are mostly just firing past the bass player's knees. So... if the Changeling cabs turn out to be a big hit, I may be making some changes to the Thunderchild cabs, if I can do so without too many tradeoffs.

Okay let me try to pull it all together:

Hathor 1203: Good sound-per-pound and good for electric bass, not as good but still decent for double-bass (imo). You can hear yourself pretty well on a tight stage.

Changeling 112: Heavier so not as much sound-per-pound, overall probably at least as good as the Hathor for electric bass, better for double-bass, and better for accompanying unamplified acoustic instruments. Your band mates can also hear you pretty well. Tall version coming, which goes a bit deeper.

Thunderchild 112: Bigger and heavier, goes a little deeper. Okay for electric bass and good if you want a hifi sound, generally takes EQ well. The acoustic-friendly version is probably tonally the best of the bunch for double-bass. Not so good for distortion; the little paper cones on the others sound better with distortion than the hifi compression drivers do. The vertical dispersion is about average, so it's harder to hear your overtones on a tight stage compared with the other two, though the optional rear-firing tweeter can help. I've been told that drummers like the rear-firing tweeter. Current version has the "4/8" ohm switch.
 
Duke. Your responses and information are always helpful, and certainly I'm pleased with the Changeling 112 so far, the sound and the size and the build quality and the options. Can't wait to gig it. I should have taken a moment to proofread my post before posting. My phrase "some things seem to miss expectations" is unfortunately broad when there was only one point to ask about.

Thanks for clarifying!

The overall cab apparent volume difference between rear mid off and on did surprise me and I was wondering if I'd get somewhat equal volume on each cab (not tone) when running the two cabs in parallel and the rear mid switch is off.

Between the two settings - rear mid ON and rear mid mostly OFF - do you have a preference? The ear tends to prefer "louder", so the increased loudness with the rear mid ON can be misleading, but if you're aware of that and just focus on the tone, what are your thoughts?

This makes me think I should have recorded with my phone up higher for both recordings where it would pick up more range from all the speakers, not near the floor where the lows from the 12 dominate.

I appreciate very much your going to the effort to make those recordings. I think it's going to be hard to mic the Changeling cab... too much stuff happening on the back of the cab (ports, rear-firing mid), and at the fairly close distances you have to put your iPhone, I don't think you'll pick up much of their output, relative to how loud the front-firing drivers will be. Since a fair amount of the low end comes through the ports (and the woofer's cone motion virtually stops at the port tuning frequency), I suspect the tonal balance will be a little bit thinner on the recording than in real life.

Well said. Great info as always.

Well if I haven't learned how to talk a good game by now, it's time to quit and get a real job!

Hey Duke...Where'd that Hathor 1855 go?? Very intrigued by that one.

(apologies for missing prior 1855 revision posts somewhere in here)

The Hathor 1855 was a really hard cab to build because of the cross-firing mids, even when the boards were pre-cut on a CNC machine. I'd still have to do several hours of hand-fitting, and several steps of extra-gluing. I no longer have access to a cabinet shop with a CNC machine, which means I'm cutting all the boards myself. So the format had to change.

As long as I was changing the format, I looked to see if there was worthwhile room for improvement. I think there was, and so I went with a single 6" mid (which handles more power than the two 5" mids combined) and a pair of little 3" cones for tweeters. Same 3" unit as in the Hathor 1203 et al.

So the cab that replaces the Hathor 1855 is the Hathor 1863. Yeah I know it oughta be "18633", but I draw the line at four digits. It's not up on my website yet, but you can message or e-mail me for details.
 
So the original was a "pre-war" variant. Is the 1863 endorsed by Grant or Lee?
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Thanks! I shoulda known. About the only having two arms, I mean.

;^)





Okay, so you guys are bringing out the double Toms...

Seriously, I thank you both for your interest and your questions.

The Hathor 1203 was an attempt to strike a particular balance between size/weight/cost and "sounds good on electric bass", and of course its secret weapon was that little open-format mid chamber. Then the Birdhaus 46, with its uber-wide dispersion, was well received, particularly for jazz and double-bass. The Changeling 112 is sort of a combination of the two concepts, though obviously it looks more like a Hathor than like a Birdhaus.

Let me back up for just a minute. I've been doing "poly-directional" speakers in home audio for quite some time. My first amateur polydirectional builds date back to the late 1980's, and imo my polydirectionals have always been my best-sounding speakers. But I wasn't sure the concept would play well in a live music setting.

You see, the best wisdom of the day says that, for a good PA system, you want to maximize the amount of direct sound the audience gets, and minimize the amount of reflections they get. So PA systems ideally have radiation patterns no wider than they need to be for audience coverage. My Thunderchild cabs were essentially small PA cabs... which imo sound better with the "acoustic friendly" rear-firing tweeter!

So I should have done the Changeling cabs long ago, as there was enough evidence to justify the venture. I just hadn't thought it through yet.

The thing I learned all too slowly is, for a bass cab, the audience INCLUDES the bass player, and may well include the other musicians! So the Changeling cabs are taking what the Hathors started to the next level, with the added benefit of better approximating an acoustic instrument like upright bass.

Unfortunately, to get into Changeling land, we trade off some of the weight and cost benefits of the Hathors. We also trade off a little bit of low-end extension... my most recent calculations indicate that the three-port Hathor 1203 is -2.5 dB @ 62 Hz (the singleporter was -3.0 dB at 62 Hz), and the three-port Changeling 112 is -3.0 dB at 62 Hz, due to losing about 1/10th cubic foot of internal volume to the rear-firing mid chamber.

It is possible the Changelings might turn out to be something big. In situations where the band doesn't have monitors, I think it would usually be of benefit to the entire band to be able to hear the bass player's cab. He's the one who lays down the groove, not only for the audience but also for the band. And what benefits the band, benefits everyone in the house. Well that's my theory - as of this writing, there's only the one Changeling cab out there, and it hasn't been gigged yet.

The Birdhaus cabs arguably have a better radiation pattern from a "bass for the band" standpoint, but I'm less able to tweak the tonal balance the way I want with that format. Theoretically I could do two-way Birdhaus cabs, but that would be really complicated, expensive, and heavy. So I think the Changeling format has more potential once practicality is factored in.

The Thunderchild was designed as a "hi-fi" cab, so what goes in = what comes out with relatively little "editorializing" by the cab. I've sold a few to luthiers. The current version has the midrange smoothy/grindy switch, but it's really just a hint of grindy in grindy mode (on paper the upper-mid peak is about 5 db, but that's the on-axis figure and it's all coming from the woofer and the woofer is beaming, so subjectively it's still just a hint). And those nice low-coloration constant-directivity horns are mostly just firing past the bass player's knees. So... if the Changeling cabs turn out to be a big hit, I may be making some changes to the Thunderchild cabs, if I can do so without too many tradeoffs.

Okay let me try to pull it all together:

Hathor 1203: Good sound-per-pound and good for electric bass, not as good but still decent for double-bass (imo). You can hear yourself pretty well on a tight stage.

Changeling 112: Heavier so not as much sound-per-pound, overall probably at least as good as the Hathor for electric bass, better for double-bass, and better for accompanying unamplified acoustic instruments. Your band mates can also hear you pretty well. Tall version coming, which goes a bit deeper.

Thunderchild 112: Bigger and heavier, goes a little deeper. Okay for electric bass and good if you want a hifi sound, generally takes EQ well. The acoustic-friendly version is probably tonally the best of the bunch for double-bass. Not so good for distortion; the little paper cones on the others sound better with distortion than the hifi compression drivers do. The vertical dispersion is about average, so it's harder to hear your overtones on a tight stage compared with the other two, though the optional rear-firing tweeter can help. I've been told that drummers like the rear-firing tweeter. Current version has the "4/8" ohm switch.

Thanks, Duke! Although my wallet may not thank you... I think that a pair of the taller/deeper Changelings might put me on Cloud 9 (though I have to say, once again, that a pair of 1203's makes me very, very happy!). :thumbsup:
 
Anyone have any slap samples with the Hathor 1203 or 212? Really curious to hear the treble response in that region...

I have to be up early -- why am I doing this? (Wait -- don't answer that.)

It's late, so this was recorded at low volume... with my phone (sorry) set 8 or 9 inches off the floor, a little off axis, and 9 or 10 inches from the cab. Port is plugged, both switches up, cab sitting on a carpeted floor in need of a good vacuuming.

Recorded riff into a Ditto Looper and let it play through twice -- Sonic Farm 2DI4, turned low, into my poweramp. First time, flat. Second time, flipped the switches on the 2DI4 for smallish bass and treble boosts (trim pots dialed down to about half -- less for the bass).

No effects or EQ in recording. Doesn't do the cab or the 2DI4 justice, but might give you some rough idea:



The 1203 + sub, so far in my little experiments at home, is pretty groovy (thick, articulate) for slapping -- thought about it briefly, but trying to record with the sub in an apartment at midnight would have been pushing it.
 
Thunderchild 112: Bigger and heavier, goes a little deeper. Okay for electric bass and good if you want a hifi sound, generally takes EQ well. The acoustic-friendly version is probably tonally the best of the bunch for double-bass.

Although I've been gigging my TC112AF with an EUB for quite a few years now, I've only been lucky enough to hear it with a real upright a handful of times, and hardly ever when I was playing. So last week I hauled it over to the local "newgrass" jam along with a new FET preamp prototype I've been working on lately. I set up during a break and the moment I fired it up a stream of people came back into the "dawg house" to see what the heck had happened to the beater house bass. Good times...
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I like what the back tweeter does for slap playing with my new fretted BG a lot too. Even with the more limited vertical dispersion the V1 horn has I've never really had that feeling of anything blowing by my knees at all, FWIW. But I prefer to hear a lot of airy treble coming at me indirectly, always have. As I've told you quite a few times, my ideal would be something like the horn and compression driver from the TC118 in a TC112, which would make the cab more synth and vocal friendly at higher volumes IMHO. It's always something, isn't it?
 
As a past user of the 46, I loved its abilities in a tight room playing jazz. Duke's on to something good with the new cabinet in my view.

Nice work!

Thanks! Your description of the benefits of the Birdhaus format played a major role in convincing me the time had come.

Thanks, Duke! Although my wallet may not thank you... I think that a pair of the taller/deeper Changelings might put me on Cloud 9 (though I have to say, once again, that a pair of 1203's makes me very, very happy!). :thumbsup:

If you decide to stay on Cloud 9 we're sure gonna miss you... but seriously, THANK YOU!!

I have to be up early -- why am I doing this? (Wait -- don't answer that.)

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for taking the time to record and post that!! Man you bass players are just the best. Every band should have one of you.

I like what the back tweeter does for slap playing with my new fretted BG a lot too. Even with the more limited vertical dispersion the V1 horn has I've never really had that feeling of anything blowing by my knees at all, FWIW. But I prefer to hear a lot of airy treble coming at me indirectly, always have. As I've told you quite a few times, my ideal would be something like the horn and compression driver from the TC118 in a TC112, which would make the cab more synth and vocal friendly at higher volumes IMHO. It's always something, isn't it?

That horn in Selta's TC118 is the best horn I've used in a bass cab, and maybe the best I've ever used. Unfortunately it is now unobtainium. I bought the last three, hoping they wouldn't really be "the last three", but I think they are. 18Sound makes one that looks similar, maybe I need to give it a try.

I've never gotten around to doing an official synth/vocals/modeler version of the Thunderchild 112 with the higher-power-handling compression driver. That has been on my to-do list for years but has never made it to the top. Thanks for reminding me.
 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for taking the time to record and post that!! Man you bass players are just the best. Every band should have one of you.

Was that another rimshot moment? ;)

Again, it doesn't do the cab justice -- and, listening back now, I don't like how I was thumbing the notes -- but I figured I could make a quick-and-dirty clip now or forget to make a "real" clip later. I'll cut myself a little slack because of the hour and because (no joke) I'm coming off recent injuries to both thumbs -- there'll be some rehab involved for the left one (not the culprit in this clip), but I'll be back to 100% and wrestling bears again before too long. Or maybe I just need to revisit my technique there. Or cut back on wrestling bears.

Anyway, I hope it's more useful than otherwise.

@DLM, @nostatic has posted in this thread several recordings of the 1203 in live performance. Don't know how much of it features slap, but there are tracks with a variety of ensembles.