I was going by some of the ultralight 2-12s (CN212, Tecamp S212) which are low-mid 40s. The Baer is a bit over 50lbs iirc. For me the modularity is king, but for guys doing a lot of louder gigs where a 1-12 would rarely cut it I could see the attraction.
What about a 1263 in a taller box that crossed the 12 over lower and went into TC112 range, with paper 6" and 3"? Or 6" and small horn crossed over sort of high (4k?)? Sort of a cross between TC and Hathor - you get the more present mids (with a switch to smooth back to "flat") and a bit lower extension.
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I think the ultralight 212's you mention probably use Deltalite-class woofers. Very fine woofers for their weight, which is about 2 pounds less than the Kappalies. So I start out with a 4-pound/cab weight disadvantage, and then if we start adding kilowatt-capable inductors...
Your idea of a 1263 is interesting, and I hadn't thought of that configuration. Weight and would cost go up significantly, and while it might not seem like it, I do try to keep the performance/cost ratio decent. But that's an interesting idea, one that I'll have to mull over a bit.
I do have plans to at least prototype a cab with 6" and 3" drivers and a big woofer, but that's down the road a bit.
As to a new model, how about a 4-8" vertical column with a couple of your 3" drivers in the middle of the stack?
Well there's only one 8" woofer that I really warm up to, and that's the Faital 8PR200. Beautiful little driver, with air-moving capability competitive with many 10's (Faital measures x-max with an imo optimistic yardstick imo, but this one still has remarkable x-max even with a conservative yardstick). This is a fantastic little woofer for upright bass in part because of its midrange smoothness, but I'm now starting to prefer a bit of "growly" for electric bass, which I can make switch-off-able.
Unfortunately the 8PR100 is really expensive. I could (and do) build a 212 for less money that would be lighter, less expensive, and more capable.
I'm very biased toward the vertical 212 form factor. I had a pair of Baers, and honestly, most of the time I could have done with one, so it was a single 12 - 212 in a way (magic!), but then it's really squat. Granted, the mid makes that less of an issue sonically, and your clever Hathor scheme even more so. Then, lugging two boxes, to me, is more of a pain then rolling a single cab in and out. Same goes for a single 15 vs. 212, IMO.
Thank you, I hadn't appreciated how many people prefer the tall form factor of a 212 vs a squatty-body cab. Sounds like there needs to be at least one tallish Hathor cab, and 212 makes sense.
Definitely not scientific, but after following the various 2x12 &/or 2 x 1x12 threads, it seems like maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the consumers out there prefer a single 2x12 over the modular option, as long as the 2x12 is reasonably schlepable.
That sounds about right. I figured the uber-compact 1203 would have a wider appeal so that's what I focused on, but obviously there's interest in a 212 variant as well.
I realize that there are only a few people at this point that have a pair of the H1203, but I'm wondering if any have tried an L - stack where the bottom cab is on its side with the HF driver end pointed towards the rest of the band & the top cab stacked over the bottom cab woofer in a vertical orientation?
Seems like it might facilitate sound-spread on stage by some degree.
Yes, there are options a 2x112 stack gives you that a 212 doesn't, and the ability to improvise your coverage patterns as needed is one of them.
And as far as a 212 version, if I was going big I'd go 1855. Just so I could say I had an 18 inch rig. My inner 17 year old rocker wants two.
The 1855 and Hathor 212 would sort of cover the same territory, with the 1855 doing so in a more bada$$ way. The 1855 already has a fairly upper-mid-aggressive voicing, so I could let it cover that niche, and then be a bit more weight/cost conscious on the 212. Just thinking out loud here.
Note to your inner 17 year old: The 1855 can be done in 8 ohms, in which case all your wildest dreams can come true.
For me the 1544 would be a standalone cab and therefore 4 ohms would be greatly preferred -- especially since the TC115 is now 8 ohms-only. But I'd say do whatever's the most fun for you. Link Removed
The original Hathor 1544 uses the Faital 15PR400, which I've decided is a bit smoother than what I want. The Kappalite 3015 (non-LF) has some upper-mid emphasis that I like, which can be switchable, offering two different voicings in one cab. Anyway that's my thinking at this stage.
