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Avatar 3 way 15/6/tweet part 2

#181
40-1k is just where the 153 will destroy the 2x10s. Above that, it's more even, with some differences in tone profile. The 153 will not be as loud above 1khz.

1200hz is a signature string noise area, and 2500hz is a signature midrange grind area. Those are places where the 153 might not be as loud when you're standing directly in front of it as the 4x10 (or vertical 2x10s).

Midrange dispersion isn't really that big of an advantage for the 153 given you're using a vertical array. The 10s beam a little earlier, but are much louder in the upper mids.

For the vast majority of players, being able to get much louder below 1khz and much much louder below 100hz will be a huge difference in apparent loudness. The majority of all bass guitar content is under 1khz.

Lots of sweeping generalizations here of course.
 
#182
Well I pulled the trigger (or pushed the buttons at least) and called Dave @ Avatar today. Hopefully my 4ohm Line-X TB153 will be here Friday just in time for this weekends gigs.

Almost didn't order it, I had thought maybe I'd blown a speaker in one of my B210's Saturday night but luckily it ended up that one of the woofers was a bit loose and the tweeter was REALLY loose! My interest has been piqued so I had to order a TB153 anyway, can't wait to see how it compares.:bassist:
 
#184
I got a TB153 about 2 months ago and absolutely love the sound. I ordered it in 8ohm because I wanted the option of playing it with my 2x10 GenzBenz.
Playing the TB153 at home was really impressive but when I went to rehearsal with the band I found that I really needed the 2x10 with it to cut through. I added the 2x10 and the combo was really great. I am not sure that I will sell the GenzBenz and get a 2x10 Avatar just so they match... but I might.
 
#185
I have a question for the Streamliner + TB153 guys:

How are you working your EQ's? I find that I like it with my P basses with a mid cut at 600 Hz (9-10:00) and the bass at 10:00. I know some have said that it sounds like there is a bit of a scoop at 600 Hz anyway on the Streamliner, is it possible that the cab has a peak close to there or a little higher? I guess that is the top of the woofer's response if the crossover is at 800. Of course maybe I just like the mids cut:)
 
#186
I plan to use my 4 ohm TB153 w/Stm-900. I'm having issues using my P5 w/flats into UL410-II with this head, as in no mids. So I'm hoping I can dial in more mids into this cab. Guess I'll know soon. Not sure I'm addressing your same issue here Joe Sm... but this is what I'm hoping to achieve for me.
 
#187
If the crossover is 12db/octave at 800hz you will still have a significant bit of content up to 1200hz (due to the +6db peak at 1200hz).

The 3015LF has a little scoop around 500hz according to the latest posted chart.
 
#188
I finally got a chance to turn up the volume on my rig, after having the TB153 for 4 months. Even though I was only running 125W through it, it did a fine job of keeping up in the mix with a heavy hitting drummer, guitar and vocals. It sounded very clear and deep, and unsurprisingly much fuller than my old cab (Eden D-AH). I'll be rectifying the lack of power shortly by getting the proper cable to bridge the power sections of my amp, after that I will be able to put 500W in to 8ohm. :)
 
#189
Can 1 (or 2) of these cut through loud down-tuned distorted guitars? The guitar player I'm playing with this summer makes it hard to find a good slot for my bass sound especially down low.

Also wondering if anyone has any experience playing loud tapping and slapping (think Victor Wooten)? The talk from the fEARful crowd about the less powerful mid driver has me a bit worried it won't cut it.

I'll be playing through a Shuttle Max 9.2 so power and EQ shouldn't be a problem. Sorry if these have been answered, I've read so much in the last few days about cabs things are blurring together :hmm:
 
#190
The TB153 showed up just in time for a gig tonight. All the talk about the sound dispersion seems right on so far. When you walk off axis about 15ft is is soooo much louder than my 210's. It sounds more like my bass does thru headphones than anything I have ever heard. Unfortunately my Fralin's decided to take a crap on me and I had to put my stock SX pickup in which are so sterile it's not funny, can't wait to hear it with some real pickups!

I know you guys who understand all the tech stuff know this already but for us laymen; The TB153 doesn't play well with my B210, if fact there is no reason to use the 210 because it simply gets overpowered once you walk more thatn 10 ft from the cab.

Gig report tomorrow, I have a feeling I will have a pair of B210's for sale shortly......:bassist:
 
#191
Killmeister said:
Can 1 (or 2) of these cut through loud down-tuned distorted guitars? The guitar player I'm playing with this summer makes it hard to find a good slot for my bass sound especially down low.

Also wondering if anyone has any experience playing loud tapping and slapping (think Victor Wooten)? The talk from the fEARful crowd about the less powerful mid driver has me a bit worried it won't cut it.

I'll be playing through a Shuttle Max 9.2 so power and EQ shouldn't be a problem. Sorry if these have been answered, I've read so much in the last few days about cabs things are blurring together :hmm:
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If I were a gambling man I'd say you would be ok with a 4 ohm 153 and a 9.2

Two 153s I don't think would work great together (decent if you stack them so the midranges are close), but would crush pretty much any guitar rig short of a full stack.
 
#193
A question for the Avatar 153 users.
I love a 15" loaded cabinet, but I've "NEVER" played through a 15 that felt fast and clear like a 10 does. (On a fast, multi noted bass run a 15, to my ears, has always been indistinct, slow, like the speaker can't re-set fast enough for the next note. With a 10" speaker the notes are clear and jump out of the cab...if any of that makes any sense...)
Does the mid driver on these cabinets provide the feel of speed/clarity for the 15's slower response and longer x-max?
 
#194
The big reason for the muddy sound of most 15s is being stuffed into too small of a box = big midbass hump = mud.

The TB153 is in a properly sized box. That will make more difference in clarity than the mid.
 
#195
rmars said:
Well, I've done two gigs with the 153 now but so far I've not been impressed. It's super harsh and midrangey and the lows are not at all round or pillowy just really harsh, like Geddy Lee's live tone or like a really harsh bridge pickup soloed. It can't keep up with my guitarist 2x12 and isn't nearly as loud or low as my vertical B210 stack. Even with the volume not up very loud it always seems to sound like it's being pushed really hard and is just too barky. At low living room volumes it's not as bad and it sound like a good monitor but not much of a rock n' roll cab, I always end up having to use one of my 210's to keep up and round out the tone. After last night it's staying home tonight and the 210 stack is going back out......

Kinda bummed. :(
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That doesn't sound like my 153 at all. I wonder if there's something wrong with your unit? Maybe the crossover?

What head did you use?
 
#196
NWB said:
That doesn't sound like my 153 at all. I wonder if there's something wrong with your unit? Maybe the crossover?

What head did you use?
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Yeah, I got to thinking there might be a problem with it and removed the post. Gonna call Dave on Monday and see what he thinks. For the record I was using a Demeter 201S powered by one side of a Crown Macro-Tech 1200 (490 watts if I remember correctly). EQ was highs 12o'clock, mid 10-11', and bass 1' to 2:30. Bass Freq was set a 120hz but it sound just as bad set a 60hz.
 
#197
Hey I would like thank rpsands and faulknersj for their detailed advice and recommendations for this cab.

Just got it yesterday and used it for one band practice. In that short time though, I was completely blown away by it.

The band loves it too.

I'll probably post a bit more on it after it breaks in a bit.
 
#198
how mine works in band context in a couple hours at gig. It arrived this Wednesday, did a few hours alone practice in mod-volume with home stereo, I know prolly no where near gig volumes. Let's see what she'll do when cranked more using STM-900. Hoping its good. :)
 
#199
ErnieD said:
how mine works in band context in a couple hours at gig. It arrived this Wednesday, did a few hours alone practice in mod-volume with home stereo, I know prolly no where near gig volumes. Let's see what she'll do when cranked more using STM-900. Hoping its good. :)
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I am running the same setup and loving it. With my P Basses with flats, I run everything straight up with a mid boost at 600 and the horn level rolled off a bit on the cabinet. The amount of air this thing pushes into the room is pretty impressive. Equally impressive is how well you can hear what you are doing.
 
#200
...and thankfully. I got it last week and it is as well or better constructed and definitely better sounding than any cab I've owned including Eden, Euphonic Audio, Schroeder, other Avatar, etc. IMO.

I love having my bottom octave back so I can feel it - not just hear it. AND without sacrificing articulation. And portable for a 3-way 15" with this strong of construction as well. Worth twice the price.

If I could I'd order a second one quick.
 

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