Avatar 3 way 15/6/tweet part 2

[NWB]

Well I figured I owed a follow up;
Avatar sent me a new crossover, and I installed it today. Cab still sounds really harsh but seemed a bit louder at the same volume and eq setting as my B210. With my standard eq settings the B210 is substantially warmer and much less harsh. I followed some advise I had gotten from lomo and boosted the lows more than I typically do. Then I cut the heck out of the mids to like 8 o'clock and it got warmer sounding. I just received a Tone Hammer off back order and having been experimenting with that on the AGS setting I set the Mid Freq at 3 and the Mid Level at 9 with the bass at 2 and it sounds pretty good. Much louder at those settings than my B210, in fact after messing around with it at volume my ears really, really hurt! Very stupid, it's deceivingly loud and I really should have been wearing ear plugs and not sat so close to the cab.:scowl:

I'm not used to doing much eqing and honestly the Demeter HBP-1 pre would probably be a better match for this cab than my VTBP-201S series.

I still wouldn't describe it as overtly warm sounding because the notes are so defined but I wouldn't call it modern sounding either. I'll be interested to hear it in the mix Friday night. If it can keep up with the guitarists I work with and get bootys shakin' on the dance floor then I can somewhat forgive the warmth issue.

Thanks for the follow-up.

I'm guessing that some of the "warmth" heard in the B210 may be due to speaker distortion.

Yes, the notes are very, sometimes painfully , defined with the TB153. (I thought my technique was better than that!)

It does seem to do exceptionally well in a band mix which is probably the best scenario in which to judge it.

Also, if you are using your rig to carry the room, then move around the room a bit to hear how it sounds. You may be quite surprised at the lack of dead areas!

 

[NWB]

Does everybody dislike the SWR Triad?

 

[kaiser_sosea]

Right, I'm not saying I agree with it but what he told me when I asked was that "the 3015LF moves too much air for grill cloth". Take what you want from it.

Seriously doubt that. I have a cloth grill on my fEARful 15/6 (3015LF) and the grill doesn't impede anything nor does it come loose.

 

[lomo]

Right, I'm not saying I agree with it but what he told me when I asked was that "the 3015LF moves too much air for grill cloth". Take what you want from it.

No matter what the reason, the metal grille protects better, and the driver is pricey to replace.

 

[Sundogue]

No matter what the reason, the metal grille protects better, and the driver is pricey to replace.

Depends on the hauling situation. I haul my own rig so I don't have gorillas throwing it around or things into it.

I made my own grill cloth and frame and it's tight. I doesn't even move in far enough to hit the driver and it isn't el cheapo cloth either. It's made from pet screen and super durable, so it isn't going to tear. Also, it will protect against drink spills better too. Given all that, I prefer my grill cloth to metal. But to each his own.

 

[rmars]

Thanks for the follow-up.

I'm guessing that some of the "warmth" heard in the B210 may be due to speaker distortion.

Yes, the notes are very, sometimes painfully , defined with the TB153. (I thought my technique was better than that!)

It does seem to do exceptionally well in a band mix which is probably the best scenario in which to judge it.

Also, if you are using your rig to carry the room, then move around the room a bit to hear how it sounds. You may be quite surprised at the lack of dead areas!

LOL! Yeah it brings out every good and bad bit of your playing for sure. Can't wait to hear it Friday night and yeah most the gigs I do are unsupported pa wise. I may even go crash my friends gig tonight.... picked up some Hearos just in case. I have to say my ears still hurt today, not good..... won't do that again.

 

[NWB]

LOL! Yeah it brings out every good and bad bit of your playing for sure. Can't wait to hear it Friday night and yeah most the gigs I do are unsupported pa wise. I may even go crash my friends gig tonight.... picked up some Hearos just in case. I have to say my ears still hurt today, not good..... won't do that again.

Yeah, I think Dave should include a pair of Hearos with every TB153.

I don't know what the overall efficiency of it is, but it does get quite loud without turning my Shuttle up very much. I hardly crack the volume to keep up with the drummer.

 

[bdplaid]

I made my own grill cloth and frame and it's tight.

Feel like posting a pic of that?

 

[bdplaid]

Yeah, I think Dave should include a pair of Hearos with every TB153.

What was that? (sorry, somebody had to post it.)

But if the ears hurt the day after, that was some SERIOUS volume, and I don't think you've got much to complain about.

 

[Sundogue]

Feel like posting a pic of that?

Sure...

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[bdplaid]

Nice job. I have an SB112 and I keep thinking I need to put grill cloth on it. I'd do something retro, or maybe paint a design on it, I dunno. But I'm the guy with the Leopard-skinned P-Bass, so take that into account.

 

[xUptheIronsx]

please refer if this has already been answered, but has anyone paired this with a B410? I already have a B410, and thought this might compliment it nicely. I'm not usually a fan of bigger speakers, but would trust Avatar to not make them sound too flappy...

 

[Ol'Bass'ead]

I think you need to go read the fEarful threads, but the short answer is no.

 

[Sundogue]

Nice job. I have an SB112 and I keep thinking I need to put grill cloth on it. I'd do something retro, or maybe paint a design on it, I dunno. But I'm the guy with the Leopard-skinned P-Bass, so take that into account.

I was thinking of making my cab look like a fireplace and painting tru-flame on the cloth grill.

Something like what I painted on this old, unplayable violin...

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Then I could make an amphead rack look like a mantel.

Then all I'd need is a comfy chair, smoking jacket and a pipe.

 

[southpawpa]

Pics of the leopard P bass purty please.....

 

[bdplaid]

speak and ye shall receive:

 

[rmars]

Ok..... I officially deem this thing loud! Did the first gig last night after working out my eq kinks and it's stupid loud. I actually had to turn down for the first time in a long time. The tone that seem cool at home with my Tone Hammer was a bit too big at the club. Instead of fooling around with the eq (still learning how to use sweepable mids) on it I turned it off and scooped the mid and boosted the bass on the Demeter pre and it was all good.

One our best local bassist stopped by so I ask him to get up for a tune. While stumbling to the bathroom and then to the bar before resuming my duties I was shocked how loud the bass was everywhere in the club. The guitar was really loud on the dance floor though the mix was okay..... everywhere else the bass was killin it though!

And once again, highly recommend some Hearos if your going to buy one of these things..... Drunk rmars forgot to wear his Hearos the last set and sober/hungover rmars is paying for it today.......

 

[BurningSkies]

Ok..... I officially deem this thing loud! Did the first gig last night after working out my eq kinks and it's stupid loud. I actually had to turn down for the first time in a long time. The tone that seem cool at home with my Tone Hammer was a bit too big at the club. Instead of fooling around with the eq (still learning how to use sweepable mids) on it I turned it off and scooped the mid and boosted the bass on the Demeter pre and it was all good.

One our best local bassist stopped by so I ask him to get up for a tune. While stumbling to the bathroom and then to the bar before resuming my duties I was shocked how loud the bass was everywhere in the club. The guitar was really loud on the dance floor though the mix was okay..... everywhere else the bass was killin it though!

And once again, highly recommend some Hearos if your going to buy one of these things..... Drunk rmars forgot to wear his Hearos the last set and sober/hungover rmars is paying for it today.......

Heh. Too loud huh? You should try a double stack of 3015LF cabs...

The thing is that YES it should remain clear and present in almost all areas around the room, that's one of the big points of these cabs.

I know you were feeling that the mids were 'too harsh'. How did they sound out in the room, where the mid dispersion usually sucks on production bass cabs? I've kind of been thinking 'too harsh' may have just been that you're not used to hearing much content in the mids range as most other cabs tend to have a hole there.

 

[southpawpa]

speak and ye shall receive:

I lovee that P bass.

 

[lomo]

Ok..... I officially deem this thing loud! Did the first gig last night after working out my eq kinks and it's stupid loud. I actually had to turn down for the first time in a long time. The tone that seem cool at home with my Tone Hammer was a bit too big at the club. Instead of fooling around with the eq (still learning how to use sweepable mids) on it I turned it off and scooped the mid and boosted the bass on the Demeter pre and it was all good.

One our best local bassist stopped by so I ask him to get up for a tune. While stumbling to the bathroom and then to the bar before resuming my duties I was shocked how loud the bass was everywhere in the club. The guitar was really loud on the dance floor though the mix was okay..... everywhere else the bass was killin it though!

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Cool. It's only getting even better from here. Try and mess with your mid controls and learn to massage 'em just right. This box will respond VERY well to eq and in that sense is more flexible than most conventional cabs, many of which 1)cannot handle any sig bass boost at gig volume and 2)are not clear enough in the mids to fully translate mid adjustments out into the room.