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#301
arcieangelo said:
Short of buying a $700.00 power conditioner, is there anything you can do about "bad electricity"
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That would be $700 down the drain. So-called 'bad electricity' is usually RFI and EMI (if you don't know what they are Google them, you should know) conducted through the amp via your pickups. No amount of conditioning or other doo-dads can remove it, though a noise gate will make it less obvious when you're not actually playing.
 
#302
Got my cabinet from Dave a couple days ago . I had bought an 18sound horn from Tber J.Newmark and decided to put it in this cabinet . After putting some juice to it and cranking it all I can say is wow ! Nice clean bottom end and very even mids . I have to turn the horn down quite a bit to make it blend but it sounds outstanding . The test will be with my band this week . Can't wait .

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#304
billfitzmaurice said:
That would be $700 down the drain. So-called 'bad electricity' is usually RFI and EMI (if you don't know what they are Google them, you should know) conducted through the amp via your pickups. No amount of conditioning or other doo-dads can remove it, though a noise gate will make it less obvious when you're not actually playing.
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I posed this situation to my friend, an electrical engineer with experience designing high end audio components. I thought the exchange might interest folks:

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Subject: power correction?

on a forum I frequent, the issue of power in nightclubs has come up. they are notoriously bad, ranging from noisy to ungrounded to dangerously miswired (I've been hit with those myself in the past). so I'm wondering if there's some sort of box that will sense, and correct bad ac power, while buffering the user from the wall power. I know, asking a lot, but thought I'd ask.

there are a lot of power products on the market lately that reduce noise, store extra juice, etc, so maybe... ps: what causes one to get the full jolt of electrical shock (all 110 volts) when touching items plugged into 2 different circuits? that's what happened to me 30 years ago. my bass inadvertently touched the mic, shorted out the entire club and left a welding scar on my tuning key. since then I carry around a foam wind sock to put on the mic for such occurrences if i can't plug into another circuit. Reply:
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Look at this: IS1000 - Isolation Transformer-Based Power Conditioner - Superior line noise reduction and spike suppression
Isolates you from the A.C. feed as well as reduces induced noise such as ground loops

Also, good info here: Toroidal Transformers for power supplies and isolation in medical, instrument, audio and control panel transformer applications.
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As regards the second part about being shocked, most likely one of the circuit legs was wired wrong such that the 'ground' was actually the hot side. Very, very dangerous...

Would strongly suggest something like this: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Would at least give you an indication that what you are plugging into is correctly wired - unfortunately in the case you mentioned not unless you could test all the circuits coming near you... 30 years ago the wiring most likely did not have a three prong/separate safety ground as used nowadays...

Lot to cover here
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fyi. ymmv.
 
#307
No guys , just the horn lense and driver . The mid sounds very good to me already . Got a good look at the crossover and it's an Eminence board but not their standard 800/5000 Hz one . This one has a resistor to pad the mid . The bracing isn't bad at all , a 2" by 3" board attached to each side front to back under each handle and another one at the top of the cab in the middle front to back . Pretty good lining on the walls of the cab too . I saw J Newmark has the 6nd410 for sale in the classifieds and thought about it but this thing sounds darn good just like it is . Anyone who knows me knows I like to mod the heck out of cabinets and build them too and have built a bunch of crossovers but I'm leaving this one alone .

rpsands said:
BLues Bass 2 - You put a 6nd410 in the cabinet?

Please, please tell me you enclosed it?
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#308
Blues Bass 2 said:
No guys , just the horn lense and driver . The mid sounds very good to me already . Got a good look at the crossover and it's an Eminence board but not their standard 800/5000 Hz one . This one has a resistor to pad the mid . The bracing isn't bad at all , a 2" by 3" board attached to each side front to back under each handle and another one at the top of the cab in the middle front to back . Pretty good lining on the walls of the cab too . I saw J Newmark has the 6nd410 for sale in the classifieds and thought about it but this thing sounds darn good just like it is . Anyone who knows me knows I like to mod the heck out of cabinets and build them too and have built a bunch of crossovers but I'm leaving this one alone .
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In a quick pinch, consider taking a round or square plastic tupperware container, stuffing it lightly with polyfill and mounting it behind the mid. Quick and easy and will make it a chambered speaker. :) That mid will perform even better that what you're hearing now...tackle a crossover at a later date. :)
 
#309
Right , that is what I would do if I was going to put the mid in , I don't think it would screw the tuning up much at all . I may do it someday but for now it's staying like it is . If I do the mid someday I would build one of Greenboys cheap but good crossovers with Dukes high pass but that's down the road .

BurningSkies said:
In a quick pinch, consider taking a round or square plastic tupperware container, stuffing it lightly with polyfill and mounting it behind the mid. Quick and easy and will make it a chambered speaker. :) That mid will perform even better that what you're hearing now...tackle a crossover at a later date. :)
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#311
Watching this conversation about modding a cab that has not yet been used on a gig reminds me of this:

An alien approaches a man and gives him an orb. The alien tells the man that the orb will end hunger and heal all ailments, make life pleasant for all men forever, end war and unite all mankind, and ensure a pleasant progression to the hereafter. What does the man do?
1. Give it to the President?
2. Give it to the Secretary General of the UN?
3. Put it on ebay?

No, he takes it apart.
 
#312
In this case I already know what the orb is , a foster tweeter , and know what it sounds like and have heard them in my rig on countless gigs . They sound alright but there are better horns/ tweeters around and the one I put in is one of them . I will for sure wait till I use the cabinet with my band to see if I would want to change anything else but from what I'm hearing there is almost zero chance of that . This cabinet sounds wonderful .

bdplaid said:
Watching this conversation about modding a cab that has not yet been used on a gig reminds me of this:

An alien approaches a man and gives him an orb. The alien tells the man that the orb will end hunger and heal all ailments, make life pleasant for all men forever, end war and unite all mankind, and ensure a pleasant progression to the hereafter. What does the man do?
1. Give it to the President?
2. Give it to the Secretary General of the UN?
3. Put it on ebay?

No, he takes it apart.
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#316
rmars said:
Hey there fellow Quad City bassist and TB153 owner!
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Hey what do you know , two of these in the Quads ? Playing at Muddy Waters September 3 . If you don't have a gig that night check us out . We're splitting the gig with another band , a two for one . We got the first spot because we are old farts and don't like to stay up too late . I ought to have the cab broke in by then .
 
#317
Blues Bass 2 said:
Hey what do you know , two of these in the Quads ? Playing at Muddy Waters September 3 . If you don't have a gig that night check us out . We're splitting the gig with another band , a two for one . We got the first spot because we are old farts and don't like to stay up too late . I ought to have the cab broke in by then .
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So far I have Sep 3 off so I'll try to make it down. I play @ Mound St. pretty regularly. My next gig down there is on the 5th but it's not our regular lineup. I'll be down there the 19th with my regular band, BrokeA$$ Sellouts.... Normally play at least every Friday somewhere around here but some of the guys I play with on on tour with the Avey Brother's in Canada for a month.:bawl:
 
#318
bluesrx said:
Just picked up a 153 used off Craigslist at a great price. Briefly played it at the guys house I bought it from. Sounded great !! Got it home and played through it extensively with both my MB500 and MB500 Fusion. With master and gains at noon I was getting some weird static (distortion) while playing an open E. Took it apart. Checked the 3015LF for voice coil rub... none. Poked around the components on the crossover and found that one of the leads from the 50uf x 250v cap had severed at the body of the cap. Called and spoke to Dave at Avatar. He is sending me a new cap for FREE. I know, it's only a cap but he could have told me (since I bought it used ) to go fly a kite. This is the second time Dave has helped me out on used Avatar cab problems.

Major kudos to Dave and Company for their excellent customer service... !!!
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+1 That's very impressive on Dave's part! Nice to hear about that level of service. :cool:
 
#319
Used the TB153 with my band at practice last night . I could hear every mistake I made , could get too loud and we all could still hear each other plus I got a great tone . Oh , and the low end was insane ! I can see I'm going to have to be careful with my volume , it's easy to be too loud and not know it .

I like it !
 

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