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#862
lomo said:
+1, and I'll fall over dead with surprise if the Avatar 212 comes even close to the 153 in terms of low end extension , quality of low end and mid definition. Not sure about absolute volume, but my $ is on the 153 for that as well. I've been A/B ing it quite a bit with my LDS 15/6 and with the LDS mid dialed down to 50% they sound pretty much alike with my usual flattish eq (minor cut around 600) and hack fingerstyle. Can't comment on slap or tap. Chords/ dble stops ring beautifully on both of them. With 600 watts from an M6 this thing is stoopid loud:bassist:.
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is this just an assumption? The 212 is supposed to put out quite a bit of low end while still maintaining good mid and high definition, curious to know which one would win in this category. Also would be curious as to which pairing would be the best. a B410 with a B212 or a B410 with the new avatar 115?
 
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bassmusic17 said:
is this just an assumption? The 212 is supposed to put out quite a bit of low end while still maintaining good mid and high definition, curious to know which one would win in this category. Also would be curious as to which pairing would be the best. a B410 with a B212 or a B410 with the new avatar 115?
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Winning Option C: a TB153 with a TB153
 
#864
bassmusic17 said:
is this just an assumption? The 212 is supposed to put out quite a bit of low end while still maintaining good mid and high definition, curious to know which one would win in this category. Also would be curious as to which pairing would be the best. a B410 with a B212 or a B410 with the new avatar 115?
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The 212 will have at most around 600cc of displacement vs. the around 900 of the 3015LF, and I believe the calculated low end sensitivity of the 2512 II is around 94db, maybe 95db.

With that in mind you can expect two of them to be about 97db, right about the same as the 3015LF (computed to 97.5 or so).

With that in mind you can expect that the 3015LF will take around twice as much power down low IIRC.
 
#865
Sorry I haven't been following the details of all this, but if the question is whether the 153 or the 212 would win WRT lots of low end + good mids and highs, it's the 153 without question. The 212 has a no-man's land, response-wise, from around 2500 Hz to 4000 Hz. I could be off 500 either way on each figure, but you get the idea. Doesn't bother me in the least because the music I play doesn't require the bass to "go there," but if you want good+crisp mid definition, then the 212 is not for you. I have two of 'em, BTW, and wouldn't trade 'em for the world. They have a massive, muscular, authoritative sound. Beefy-sounding, as opposed to a balanced/commercial sound. Hope this helps.
 
#866
craig.p said:
Sorry I haven't been following the details of all this, but if the question is whether the 153 or the 212 would win WRT lots of low end + good mids and highs, it's the 153 without question. The 212 has a no-man's land, response-wise, from around 2500 Hz to 4000 Hz. I could be off 500 either way on each figure, but you get the idea. Doesn't bother me in the least because the music I play doesn't require the bass to "go there," but if you want good+crisp mid definition, then the 212 is not for you. I have two of 'em, BTW, and wouldn't trade 'em for the world. They have a massive, muscular, authoritative sound. Beefy-sounding, as opposed to a balanced/commercial sound. Hope this helps.
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That mirrors what I've heard from those 212 cabs perfectly.

@bassmusic17: no worries, just wasn't sure you weren't referring to something new. ;)
 
#867
So whats the TB153 rated at wattage wise. I'm assuming somewhere around 500W but I can't seem to find anything about total wattage RMS or Peak. My amp puts out about 2x545W at 2ohm in Dual Parallel mode and I wouldn't want to overpower the speakers.
 
#868
AWESOME analysis--thx! (So the TB153 & fEarful 15/6 will blow-away almost any 4x10, the closest equivalent being a high-quality 4x12.)

rpsands said:
The 212 will have at most around 600cc of displacement vs. the around 900 of the 3015LF, and I believe the calculated low end sensitivity of the 2512 II is around 94db, maybe 95db.

With that in mind you can expect two of them to be about 97db, right about the same as the 3015LF (computed to 97.5 or so).

With that in mind you can expect that the 3015LF will take around twice as much power down low IIRC.
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#869
Passinwind said:
That mirrors what I've heard from those 212 cabs perfectly.

@bassmusic17: no worries, just wasn't sure you weren't referring to something new. ;)
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Just a little vignette of no scientific value, but a one off consumer comment of interest. I practice in a narrow but long industrial space and have a 4 ohm Avatar neo 2x12 and an 8 ohm neo 1x12 that I took the tweeter out of and put the cheap 5" mid spec'd in the "Burdizzos Mod", and used the Eminence PXB 800 cross.
These stay in the studio while I gig 2 Acme B-2 3 ways. Now I have my LDS 1515/66 and have been using it in the studio while our keys player happily uses my Avatar 3x12 poor mans 3 way! Says he finally sounds like a grand piano!
Bottom line is the drummer said "wow great low end" to the 3015lf cab but is still asking me to dial in more punchy mids like my Avatar stack so he can stay in synch with me.
He told me about a prior band bass player with a big Ampeg that really punched him in the chest so I walked him over to the next space in the studio where a fridge sits and he said "yeah that's it"
So I said "Yeah that's rock history for sure" I am sure he would prefer I return to my punchy mid stack Avatar 12's over any Acme or 3015lf plus mid tweaking I have accomplished thus far. We have not gigged outdoors yet which is the main reason I bought the 1515/66 though.
The Avatar 12's do a nice old school punch like Mesa boogie Diesel 15's and Ampeg 10's
Not near the low end for your 5 string (or Reggae?) though.
 
#870
Now that's the kind of real world analysis that is useful for understanding how these cabs sound! Still not as good as hearing/playing them live, but now I think I really get how they might perform in the real world. Despite all your praise for 12s, your last sentence reaffirms my opinion that the TB153 will be right for me and what I'm going for. How about that 1515/66 though!? Any reports on how that thing kicks? Must be quite nasty!
 
#874
BigGuns said:
Now that's the kind of real world analysis that is useful for understanding how these cabs sound! Still not as good as hearing/playing them live, but now I think I really get how they might perform in the real world. Despite all your praise for 12s, your last sentence reaffirms my opinion that the TB153 will be right for me and what I'm going for. How about that 1515/66 though!? Any reports on how that thing kicks? Must be quite nasty!
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Our guitar player, who used to say he can't hear me, says he hears me fine now. Asks me to turn down sometimes. No real world test yet, as we are trying to audition singers before gigging. It has thunderous lows however. Supposedly crossed over at 800hz to the mids. I hear my bass very clear in the mix walking around with my wireless, and on our simple room mike recordings. Maybe pm plstrns (spelling?) who has two Fearful spec Impalers. That has to be an experience!:D
 
#875
tocs100 said:
AWESOME analysis--thx! (So the TB153 & fEarful 15/6 will blow-away almost any 4x10, the closest equivalent being a high-quality 4x12.)
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I'd say the TB153 and 15/6 are good 4x10 replacements sensitivity wise. If you have extra wattage to throw at them, they can replace a 6x10 fairly well - not quite as loud, but better dispersion makes up for a lot, and better low end profile does too.
 
#876
BurningSkies said:
Is it being done to spec?
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Never expected it to be, as others reported some differences in overall size of their LDS boxes. I had no interest in doing my own and also had an insurance replacement value which made a commercial purchase, with receipt a no brainer. I have much respect for you DIY Fearful guys. I hope someone in my area builds an Impaler some day so I can compare them.:bassist:
 
#877
impactwrench said:
You know, I may be running the BL600 with the limiter on. I have to use it with my new Schecter Diamond P Custom, or it clips the input. I was using my SX with Dimarzios yesterday and typically dont run the limiter, but probably left it on. I bet this thing is a lot louder than I was hearing. I'll check when I get home.

OTOH when the amp was cranked most of the way up, oh man was it growling :)
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I was running the BL600 with the limiter, that's why I had to turn it up so far. I ran my 400RB-III into the TB153 4 ohm at practice last night. I think the speaker finally started to open up. I was cutting through just fine and I had the volume and master at about 9 o'clock, maybe a shade higher or lower as I was adjusting periodically. I generally keep the EQ and contour around 12 and the boost was low, about 9 o'clock also. And that's with just 240 watts. Great tone and low end. Sounded fuller and deeper for the one song I do in drop D. I'm happy, and can't wait to try it with my 700RB-II coming next week and at a gig!
 
#878
BigGuns said:
Now that's the kind of real world analysis that is useful for understanding how these cabs sound! Still not as good as hearing/playing them live, but now I think I really get how they might perform in the real world. Despite all your praise for 12s, your last sentence reaffirms my opinion that the TB153 will be right for me and what I'm going for. How about that 1515/66 though!? Any reports on how that thing kicks? Must be quite nasty!
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I'm sure Vlad's cab kicks major league ass. I have a pair of DIY 15/6/1 cabs and have only used 'em together a handful of times on gigs, with my bass/drums fusion duo. The last time, the band that played after us looked like they were gonna cry, and they were all scary alt-metal types. Their faces got even longer when I told them I was 'only' standard-tuned. Good times...:cool:

I'm really looking forward to hearing the Avatar implementation.
 
#880
I'm waiting to see the first TB153+TB153 double stack...;) Shouldn't someone be stepping up to the plate?

Remember if one is a great cab solution, two is twice as good. :crying:

So far my experience with my fEarful set up is that other players scoff at it for the load in, then cry about it after they've heard it.
 
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