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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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Finally got down to NAMM and meet Roger in person. Wasn't too crazy loud so we got to chat and I played the Valkyrie head. The 1-15 cab was there as was the 2-12 (and of course a pair of ML112s. While I already know the cabs well, the head was a new experience. I'm really picky about gear these days and have cycled through some nice stuff until I found things that really spoke to me. The ML112 cabs are working really well for me, and I'm in the midst of a tube infatuation with the Monique preamp through my Tecamp power section. That pairing is unlike any "hybrid" amp I've played - it really is a tube feel and sound. I have to admit that the Valkyrie can cop that same feel and sound. I'm a micro guy, but the tone and the way the amp reacts is pretty spectacular. Roger has done some really interesting things with the amp topology that oddly enough roughly mirrors some of the signal chain tweaks I've stumbled on over the past few years. I was playing it dead flat with some of the tube drive rolled in and I really liked it. It also plays incredibly well with the cabs (as you'd expect). This should be a hit when it hits the streets.
I'm envious! Did you try the 115 and/ or the 212? If so, what were your impressions?
Thanks Ken, I have to say, I've missed your YouTube reviews. This last batch are spot on as usual!
I'm pretty sure the head was into the ML112. I didn't try the other cabs as I'm not into the bigger form factor and modular works really well for me right now. If I had more bigger halls I'd be all over the 212. It should have a bit more low end push than a pair of ML112s, and it is a great size. I'm just a modular guy. In talking with Roger the 1-15 is a bit smoother through the mids as it doesn't have the same push around 1K that the 12" woofer has. For someone who wants more of a vintage vibe the 1-15 is probably ideal, though I think it will still be articulate due to the 6" driver.
Ahhh, OK. You are truly GASless rig-wise! Otherwise, you would have not given up the chance to hear the others! Nice place to be for sure.
torn between a pair of 112s and the 212 ... and you are not helping!
I totally get the modular approach but I'm looking for a cab for when I do play the bigger halls. I have the smaller stuff covered pretty well.I have a couple of 212s - a GB Neox 212 and the Schoeder 212 with that one 12 angled. Both nice cabs, esp. the Schroeder for its size (although it has its quirks). But I have a feeling I'd like the ML212 better than either based on the descriptions here, esp. with the Streamliner 900.
But a single 112 sounds like it would be great for smaller venues as well ... very tempting to go for the pair.
Very tough call.
torn between a pair of 112s and the 212 ... and you are not helping!
I have a couple of 212s - a GB Neox 212 and the Schoeder 212 with that one 12 angled. Both nice cabs, esp. the Schroeder for its size (although it has its quirks). But I have a feeling I'd like the ML212 better than either based on the descriptions here, esp. with the Streamliner 900.
But a single 112 sounds like it would be great for smaller venues as well ... very tempting to go for the pair.
Very tough call.
The ML212 is frightening. A serious box. The only solution is to get one ML112 and one ML212. That way you're covered from the smallest to the largest gigs you'll do. Easy!
Ahem, .... And how many Baer cabs do you currently own my friend? Perhaps one should follow ones own advice?
lol ... that's the one solution that's not an option. But I appreciate the thought.
Fine then. Just get two of the ML112's and you're good.
Ahem, .... And how many Baer cabs do you currently own my friend? Perhaps one should follow ones own advice?
Hey!....These things take time. I desperately want to remain married. And the NAMM show did nothing to help with that endeavor.
yeah yeah. Lol nice to hear you want your wife to keep your around. Ok. Fair enough. I want one too, but haven't been in the position to pop for one (or two) yet either. But you're still a troublemaker. 
Oh, and I meant pop for one or two Baer cabs. I've had one or two wives. But that's a different story. Lol
Oh, and I meant pop for one or two Baer cabs. I've had one or two wives. But that's a different story. Lol
I used to be a slow pooper also.
I used to be a slow pooper also.
LMAO Jason! A: Timing is everything , B: funding? ...See "A:".
Maybe not the normal way you'd pair things up but I've gotta ask - ML112/ML115 stack with a Valkyrie head driving it? Do these cabs play well enough together there would not be noticeable phase alignment issues? If so, the ML112 and ML115 would provide differently voiced modular options and a stack with a bit more low and low mid heft than a pair of ML112's. I know it's not usually good practice to mix different sized woofers but actual performance depends on cab tuning, driver characteristics, crossover alignment, etc. I'm just curious if this particular stack has ever been (or could be) tried to say "Yeah, it actually sounds quite good" or "No, I wouldn't do that"? Thanks.
I'm going with either a Monique+amp or Valkyrie to replace my GB Shuttle Max 9.2. I prefer that slight sag, rich overtones, and heft of tubes that my Streamliner 900 provides. As good as the SM9.2 is, it just doesn't have that tube vibe for me and I think one of these other two premium contenders would. The Monique seems to have a little better low/mid balance than the STM900 and an incredible pallette of fabulous tube tones but the way the controls interact seems a bit like the Streamliner. If the Valkyrie can cop that same feel and sound, it's definitely in the running. The Valkyrie looks like it uses a more familiar semi-parametric eq layout with very well chosen eq points and adjustments. Either setup has good eq control but the Valkyrie seems like it would be a snap to adjust. The ability to get that real tube feel out of a single tube was explained elsewhere but is a critical part of the overall appeal. If the SM9.2 nailed it for me in this area I wouldn't be selling it. The compressor and traditional "heavy iron" transformer output section sway in favor of the Valkyrie for me for providing a bit of forgiveness for less than perfect dynamics and added heft to the notes. Monique doesn't have this. I don't like flipping gear and it's not an easy choice but these are my two finalists. Color me very interested in the reviews and feedback when the first batch hits the streets.
I'm going with either a Monique+amp or Valkyrie to replace my GB Shuttle Max 9.2. I prefer that slight sag, rich overtones, and heft of tubes that my Streamliner 900 provides. As good as the SM9.2 is, it just doesn't have that tube vibe for me and I think one of these other two premium contenders would. The Monique seems to have a little better low/mid balance than the STM900 and an incredible pallette of fabulous tube tones but the way the controls interact seems a bit like the Streamliner. If the Valkyrie can cop that same feel and sound, it's definitely in the running. The Valkyrie looks like it uses a more familiar semi-parametric eq layout with very well chosen eq points and adjustments. Either setup has good eq control but the Valkyrie seems like it would be a snap to adjust. The ability to get that real tube feel out of a single tube was explained elsewhere but is a critical part of the overall appeal. If the SM9.2 nailed it for me in this area I wouldn't be selling it. The compressor and traditional "heavy iron" transformer output section sway in favor of the Valkyrie for me for providing a bit of forgiveness for less than perfect dynamics and added heft to the notes. Monique doesn't have this. I don't like flipping gear and it's not an easy choice but these are my two finalists. Color me very interested in the reviews and feedback when the first batch hits the streets.
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Roger, it was great getting the chance to talk with you at length about your cabs, and that ML-212 one in particular! I am hoping I'll be able to find one close enough to Seattle to try out at concert volumes with my own amp/bass. You certainly got me intrigued! I ended up having the chance to play through a Fearless F115 and to hear a fEARful 15/6/1 downstairs later that day, and I was also looking for the LoPhat guys but didn't find them. I was checking out the specs of your 212 on your site earlier today - I've got the itch!
I may differ from some of the other boutique gear makers here, because while I think yes, there is something to be said for taking the traditional cab thinking to a different level. I also believe in the "if it sounds good to you, then who cares what anyone else thinks" philosophy of gear ownership. While matching driver size is optimal, if you really dig the sound of a 410 on a 115, then by all means fire it up and enjoy it. That said, the ML115 and ML112 are really tonally quite close. The ML115 driver doesn't have that upper mid peak of the Eminence 12" noes, so that really is the main difference. It also has a really nice low end booty that is cool. The pair together should match up pretty well, with the ML112 giving a little of that upper mid bite, while the bottom end of the ML115 fills in the deep lows a bit. The combo should a little smoother and deeper sounding than the ML112 stack.
