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Baer Amplification Megathread!

#6,061
jasonbraatz said:
Two ML112's really is the ticket.

I'm still waiting on that ML412... :mad:
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I do send a lot of time trying to figure out where our industry is heading and it seems to me that the vast majority of players prefer a modular system made up of multiple small, easy to move cabinets. I'm just not sure how many players want, or need something like a 412, 610 or 810 anymore. Seems like most of the players who need that much volume onstage have simply gone to in ear monitoring.
 
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You can call it "Jason's Profound Waste Of Resources 9000" and I'll buy it, whatever works.

It totally doesn't make sense to have fridges as a production cabinet where you'd be expected to compete price-wise against Aguilar, Darkglass, Ampeg, etc. It barely even makes sense to make anything besides pedal preamps nowadays.

I already have a pair of ML112s, though, and I still miss having a fridge. I had a GS412 as my only cab for about five years and it wasn't hard to live with at all, and there's still something magical about having that amount of capacity behind you (even if that specific cabinet only sounds "okay" to me nowadays.) Something that size with modern neo speakers and mid drivers would make me very happy.

When you come out with Series III of the MLs are you thinking there would still be a 212 in the mix? Or did sales not make it worthwhile?
 
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jasonbraatz said:
You can call it "Jason's Profound Waste Of Resources 9000" and I'll buy it, whatever works.

It totally doesn't make sense to have fridges as a production cabinet where you'd be expected to compete price-wise against Aguilar, Darkglass, Ampeg, etc. It barely even makes sense to make anything besides pedal preamps nowadays.

I already have a pair of ML112s, though, and I still miss having a fridge. I had a GS412 as my only cab for about five years and it wasn't hard to live with at all, and there's still something magical about having that amount of capacity behind you (even if that specific cabinet only sounds "okay" to me nowadays.) Something that size with modern neo speakers and mid drivers would make me very happy.

When you come out with Series III of the MLs are you thinking there would still be a 212 in the mix? Or did sales not make it worthwhile?
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I need to finish up the APX212 design and then hop into some new ML cabs. Definitely a new ML115 and I'd love to do a new 212. It was an awesome cabinet and I've been working with a new mid driver that I'm really liking.
 
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R Baer said:
I need to finish up the APX212 design and then hop into some new ML cabs. Definitely a new ML115 and I'd love to do a new 212. It was an awesome cabinet and I've been working with a new mid driver that I'm really liking.
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I, for one, am eager to see the new ML115. Do you like mixing the 15 with a 210 or do you think two 115s would be a better match. I play classic rock, blues, mostly finger style. Using a Bergantino Forte D head, it's 750 watts at 4 ohms.
 
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rmayer said:
I, for one, am eager to see the new ML115. Do you like mixing the 15 with a 210 or do you think two 115s would be a better match. I play classic rock, blues, mostly finger style. Using a Bergantino Forte D head, it's 750 watts at 4 ohms.
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As. Someone who has played quite a few gigs with a pair of ML115 cabs, I don't see what a 210 would add to the mix. The ML115 has a proper balance with the mid driver, to my ears. Rather than mixing cabs, I'd just apply a little EQ if it's not exactly what you want.
 
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rmayer said:
I, for one, am eager to see the new ML115. Do you like mixing the 15 with a 210 or do you think two 115s would be a better match. I play classic rock, blues, mostly finger style. Using a Bergantino Forte D head, it's 750 watts at 4 ohms.
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The original ML115 was a different kind of 115 cab, in that is didn't the huge lows and the muted upper mid and top end that most players associate with a traditional 15" driver. That was a custom driver we developed with Eminence that was designed to be a hybrid of the 3015HO and 3015LF drivers. So it was a very punchy driver with great upper mid detail, but not as much deep lows as the 3015LF. As edbutler3 mentioned, there's really no need to add 10's to the mix in order to bring out the top end detail. Two ML115's is really very close to what I consider the perfect bass stack. Definitely my personal favorite of the cabs I've built.

And even though there was no tweeter, very few players would find there wasn't enough top end there. Andrew Gouche played a 215 stack at NAMM and absolutely loved the top end detail coming from the cab to the point where he didn't even realize there wasn't a tweeter in the cab.
 
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R Baer said:
The original ML115 was a different kind of 115 cab, in that is didn't the huge lows and the muted upper mid and top end that most plays associate with a traditional 15" driver. That was a custom driver we developed with Eminence that was designed to be a hybrid of the 3015HO and 3015LF drivers. So it was a very punchy driver with great upper mid detail, but not as much deep lows as the 3015LF. As edbutler3 mentioned, there's really no need to add 10's to the mix in order to bring out the top end detail. Two ML115's is really very close to what I consider the perfect bass stack. Definitely my personal favorite of the cabs I've built.

And even though there was no tweeter, very few players would find there wasn't enough top end there. Andrew Gouche played a 215 stack at NAMM and absolutely loved the top end detail coming from the cab to the point where he didn't even realize there wasn't a tweeter in the cab.
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It's been my experience too that a well balanced 15 can provide plenty of punch and upper mid detail. Your custom Eminence hybrid sounds like an excellent balance. I think the same applies for the KL3012HO and KL3012LF. Do you plan on keeping this custom Eminence 15 in the new ML115 model?

I know you have auditioned a number of drivers over the years to develop the voicing that works for your designs. I'm curious if you have ever evaluated the Beyma 15WR400? With a ferrite magnet, it's a little heavier at 13.4 lbs but it has strong fairly even mids, decent treble extension, and very solid focused lows. It's quite efficient and has a lot of impact with a hefty amp driving it.
https://www.usspeaker.com/beyma 15WR400-1.htm
 
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R Baer said:
The original ML115 was a different kind of 115 cab, in that is didn't the huge lows and the muted upper mid and top end that most plays associate with a traditional 15" driver. That was a custom driver we developed with Eminence that was designed to be a hybrid of the 3015HO and 3015LF drivers. So it was a very punchy driver with great upper mid detail, but not as much deep lows as the 3015LF. As edbutler3 mentioned, there's really no need to add 10's to the mix in order to bring out the top end detail. Two ML115's is really very close to what I consider the perfect bass stack. Definitely my personal favorite of the cabs I've built.

And even though there was no tweeter, very few players would find there wasn't enough top end there. Andrew Gouche played a 215 stack at NAMM and absolutely loved the top end detail coming from the cab to the point where he didn't even realize there wasn't a tweeter in the cab.
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I'm leaning towards the two 115 cabs. I previously had the Bergantino NV115 cabinet and while I loved the mid sound with their mid driver, I found the sealed cabinet design to be less punchy than my ported Bergie cabs. It doesn't sound like that will be a problem with your ML115, since they're ported. I didn't miss the tweeter at all.
 
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edbutler3 said:
As. Someone who has played quite a few gigs with a pair of ML115 cabs, I don't see what a 210 would add to the mix. The ML115 has a proper balance with the mid driver, to my ears. Rather than mixing cabs, I'd just apply a little EQ if it's not exactly what you want.
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I'm also leaning towards the two 115s setup. I asked about the 210 cab because my friend uses one with one or two 112 cabs and he likes it. I've never been a big fan of 210 cabs, I went beright to 12s. Now a 410 or the Epifani 310 cab I had was a different animal.
If I like the new ML115s (and why wouldn't I) I'd probably sell my two Bergie 12 cabs. Thanks for your advice.
 
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R Baer said:
I need to finish up the APX212 design and then hop into some new ML cabs. Definitely a new ML115 and I'd love to do a new 212. It was an awesome cabinet and I've been working with a new mid driver that I'm really liking.
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I'm getting psyched about the new design for the ML115. Maybe I should "cut to the chase" and just send you my deposit for two ML115s now? Don't want to miss out on this run. Ha Ha!
 
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#6,079
MartinLY said:
Not that i have found ??
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I picked up an APX112 and APX210 earlier this year, and I have made several posts about them in this thread. I also started a new thread, here.

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