I'm not a Marcus fan, but from what little I know of his sound, I'd say this cab wouldn't hinder you getting there.
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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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The ML's were designed to give good treble response up to what I consider the most usable frequency range to achieve a good, present live sound. When it comes to that Marcus Miller type sizzle though, you really need a tweeter loaded cab to accomplish that. Keep in mind that just because the cab won't do the "Marcus sound", that doesn't automatically mean that the cab is the polar opposite either. The ML cabs can put out a surprising amount of bright top end with a twist of the treble know, or a push of the bright switch. Personally, I can make that cab as bright as I would ever want it, but the Marcus sound really requires a tweeter. A warmer sound is easy to achieve by turning down the treble on the amp, or my favorite, rolling off a vintage tone control a bit.
As has been clearly mentioned in this thread numerous times, this is not a specifically top-endy Marcus-type sounding cab. In fact, the strong points of the ML122 have been heralded dozens upon dozens of times in this thread. "B-string" pretty much laid it out for you ABC-123. Just buy one already, will ya! Haahaa! (Or shall I fetch me thinkin' shovel so as to whack you about the back of the head until your "Ohhhh NOW I get it!" light comes on?) 
If you're waiting for someone to tell you "YES! IT WAS MADE JUST FOR YOU!" ... well please allow me to oblige you ....
Yes, it was made just for you. It will suit the kind of music you play and the brand of bass you use. It's a great approach to solving the cliche boredom of the basic two-way formula that has been beat to death for decade upon decade (10s and tweeters).
I know I've sung it's praises so many times that I think I hold some sort of TB record for being on the most members ignore lists by now. You can almost hear the choir collectively groan when I post something about this cab ("Oh god, it's HIM again!").
It's been said how well this cab sounds so many times in this thread, and how well it suits so many types of players EXCEPT the Marcus treble freaks that the redundancy should be clear .. crystaline clear .. by now. If I were in your position, I'd probably just take the leap. I'm not sure what else you're waiting to hear by now.
A person can express opinions, preferences, and judgements in nearly any country on Earth. Kinda makes just about all of them great if that's the measuring stick of such things.
If you're waiting for someone to tell you "YES! IT WAS MADE JUST FOR YOU!" ... well please allow me to oblige you ....Yes, it was made just for you. It will suit the kind of music you play and the brand of bass you use. It's a great approach to solving the cliche boredom of the basic two-way formula that has been beat to death for decade upon decade (10s and tweeters).
I know I've sung it's praises so many times that I think I hold some sort of TB record for being on the most members ignore lists by now. You can almost hear the choir collectively groan when I post something about this cab ("Oh god, it's HIM again!").
It's been said how well this cab sounds so many times in this thread, and how well it suits so many types of players EXCEPT the Marcus treble freaks that the redundancy should be clear .. crystaline clear .. by now. If I were in your position, I'd probably just take the leap. I'm not sure what else you're waiting to hear by now.
A person can express opinions, preferences, and judgements in nearly any country on Earth.
Kinda makes just about all of them great if that's the measuring stick of such things.
I actually found the mid driver in my fEARful to sound quite 'disconnected' from the woofer. It wasn't really about the transition point between the woofer and mid driver. That seems fine in all the mid driver cabs I've owned, but rather the crossover point choice itself, and most importantly, what happens ABOVE the crossover point.
The ML112 IMO really does not 'sound like' a mid driver loaded cab. The particular mid driver Roger uses, and the voicing of the mid driver he uses (which has a HUGE impact on the tone) really does give the impression of a one way box that somehow just sounds 'better' than a one way box. Very warm, natural top end that extends as high as most players would ever need to go (other than, as posted by so many) that 'Marcus Miller' sort of thing (as an oversimplification describing those who like a lot of 5K+ sizzle in their tone).
All of these mid driver executions are pretty good IMO. However, both Duke's execution (not really a mid driver, but same concept) and Roger's seem to really work amazingly well with bass guitar with very little fussing, extra EQ. Both those cabs sound like they were tweaked to sound great, not just designed on paper for maximum upper midrange dispersion, etc. Both are crossed over a bit higher than, for example, the fEARful circuit, and seem to be a great compromise between a very warm, natural, 'bass friendly' upper midrange/treble response, combined with a bit better upper midrange dispersion than the typical one or two way cab.
Wonderful box. Interestingly, when I did all my reviews and video clips, most mentioned how close the ML112 was to the final version of the Bergantino AE210 (the vertical version with the revised crossover). The AE210 is my favorite small cab of all time, and the ML112 is quite close to it tonally (and some would say, even better in its own way). Since the Berg AE's are no longer on the market, the ML112 is a great choice for those who are looking for 'small, loud, punchy, and very present but not harsh up top.
The ML is a dream for those who like a bit of crunch up top also.... VERY 'top of the driver' sounding versus any other mid driver execution I've heard when you dial in a bit of 'hair' to the top end of your tone with various pedals or 'amp drive circuits'.
As I (and many others) have posted, just as a clarification, this is a GREAT slap cab. Slots your top end right were it should be for many playing contexts... just below the cymbals. It won't do the mega sizzle, but it will 'Larry Graham' or 'Ready Freddie Washington' the heck out of you
Ken, my experience was much different. First, I want to say Roger is a great guy and he worked with me quite a bit to help me try this cab and dial in the sound I was after. Though, when time came to talk with my wallet, my money didn't go in his pocket.
I played the ML112 for some musician friends, and in a rock/indie band setting. The comments I got were that the guts fell out of tone, and that the b-string on my Dingwall ABZ 5 lost some of its magic.
Roger and I talked about my setup and signal chain, and came to the conclusion that the Dingwall + Mesa M6 was just to much bright and mids for the cab, and not enough EQ range on the amp to smooth things out. The synergy just wasn't there, and the mid driver was obvious and dominant.
I've since become the owner of a P-bass I love, and I'm also a TecAmp convert. I've found the Dingwall to be lacking in low mid oomph compared to the P and I'm sure that is what translated into my experience with the ML112.
I'd be interested in trying one again, or perhaps the 115 when it is available.
I played the ML112 for some musician friends, and in a rock/indie band setting. The comments I got were that the guts fell out of tone, and that the b-string on my Dingwall ABZ 5 lost some of its magic.
Roger and I talked about my setup and signal chain, and came to the conclusion that the Dingwall + Mesa M6 was just to much bright and mids for the cab, and not enough EQ range on the amp to smooth things out. The synergy just wasn't there, and the mid driver was obvious and dominant.
I've since become the owner of a P-bass I love, and I'm also a TecAmp convert. I've found the Dingwall to be lacking in low mid oomph compared to the P and I'm sure that is what translated into my experience with the ML112.
I'd be interested in trying one again, or perhaps the 115 when it is available.
Thank you (and Mr Baer) for a true grown-up non-comicon fanboy response to my question
I'll figure it out from here
K. You keep mentioning the AE210. When I was (repeatedly) checking the ML112 out, the box I was often comparing it to was the AE210. (among others) The ML112 has a bigger, deeper low end, and these boxes really aren't the same, but there's a certain "thing" that I was looking for as we tuned the box, the crossover, etc. Kind of like a bigger sounding version of the AE210 with that wonder sweet, present high end.
Roger, what tone goals are you workin towards with the new 15 cab? Will it be similar to the 112 but bigger, or something different alltogether?
In my conversation with Roger about the ML112 attributes I had issues with and the attributes I liked about my M6 paired with a PH 115 (pre fEARful ownership), he seemed to indicate that he felt the 115 might be closer to my goals of more boom from the bottom. This was a little while back, so I'm not sure what his current aim is. I'm interested in hearing an update from the horse's mouth.
As of April. Though I think the choice of drivers was still up in the air when he posted this, so goals could have shifted.
I would say that the goal stayed pretty much the same. Original, I had a different mid picked out for this cab, but in the end we did decide to stick with the Faital mid for this cab as well. Because the woofer in this cab is putting out more and bigger lows, it gives the impression that the mid driver isn't so out front. The cab stays articulate, but has a bigger, more vintage feel to it, which is pretty much in line with the original goal. I'm really liking this cab so far.
Is it safe to assume the ML115 will have the width dimension the same as the ML112 for stacking purposes?
Sharing is caring, you know? 
Good to hear. The ML112 does have a bit of a resonant twinge to it that I have to EQ a bit at times. Like it has an audible ~shape~ to it or something.
If the ML112 were an analog synthesizer filter, I would reduce the resonant peak somewhat (I'm not always a comicon fanboy, I just find that it's much easier to be critical than honestly supportive, so I usually take the harder path and submit support rather than critique). So perhaps the resonance will be at a different frequency with the 15? Can I presume it to be tuned to a bit lower of a resonant freq?
I'll need to begin saving pennies, I can tell.
What impedance and power rating is it planned to be rated at? Overal dims?
This thread is as ravenous as the Mesa Prodigy/Strategy thread. Let the man build. Clearly, he isn't ready to start an internet marketing campaign yet, or we'd see more. The waiting is the hardest part, but no point in jumping the gun.
We won't have price and availability for a couple months. For now, let's just say that I'm really liking this cab.
Hope this isn't too off topic for you guys, but how does the ml112 compare/contrast with the genz 3/4 way application- the quad?
I know they don't sound the same, but there seems to be some common tonal ground? For those who have been lucky enough to try both out.
Roger is a legend BTW
I know they don't sound the same, but there seems to be some common tonal ground? For those who have been lucky enough to try both out.
Roger is a legend BTW
