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Baer Amplification Megathread!

Over the past 1.5 years, I've been a happy owner of a Berg AE212 but recently decided to revert back to a modular setup. So, in February, I sold the Berg and replaced it with a couple Baer ML112 cabs. While I've played smaller rehearsals and worship gigs using one cab, last night I had the opportunity to play a bigger 4-hr. gig with both cabs at a neighborhood Italian restaurant. In pic #1, this venue is not that large with tables that are a few feet from where we stand and the bar is at the far end under the overhead TVs. Our band (which comprises vocals, two guitars, keys, drums, bass and sax) plays a diverse set of hits from the '70s-current that requires a good combo of fingerstyle and slap. The signal chain used was an "A" jazz-style 4-string --> Markbass SD1200 --> Baer ML112 stack. The room required minor EQ adjustments on the amp of a slight reduction of 40hz at 11 o'clock and boost of 150-200hz at 2 o'clock. All other amp knobs were flat with both VLE and VPF filters completely off (counter clock-wise). In pic #2, I decided to stack the cabs on end since I needed to stand right in front of them and wanted that add'l upper frequency articulation closer to my ears.

In their native voices, I find the Berg AE212 to be a little fuller down low and a little more pristine in the upper treble, as one would expect with a tweeter-loaded cab, and the Baer ML112s to be less full down low and have more "texture" in the upper mids while not extending quite so high. But because this was a louder, larger gig for the band using the Baer stack for the first time, I wasn't sure what to expect once we played our first downbeat, let alone the next four hours.

As I reflect on the gig, I liked this upper-mid texture quite a lot for fingerstyle. Most of the time, I have both pickups 50/50, but for songs like Soul Man, Mustang Sally, etc., I solo the neck pickup. On one song, My Sharona, I solo the bridge pickup. The add'l upper-mid detail afforded by the Baers was, to my ears, a positive benefit by providing add'l detail to each note irrespective of pickup balance. I really liked what I heard.

There are a few songs where I slap 100% - Play That Funky Music, Take On Me, Dead Man's Party, Notorious - and the tone of the Baers struck me differently. On the gig, the tone was less pristine (compared to the treble response you might think of when playing gospel, for example), but this did not come as a surprise given the design approach of the Baers. However, I must say that the tone lended a different feel/texture to the song that was different...it was more "in your face," but in a positive way.

So, in the end, while I consider the Berg AE212 a fine cab, I do not miss it. I am more than satisfied with the Baer ML112s and look forward to gigging these for a long time to come.

I also enjoyed working with Roger who I found courteous as well as responsive to both TB PMs and external e-mails during our 4-month sales cycle (which was caused by my uncertainty about whether to move back to a modular set-up).
 

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Roger is a class act. I hope as his company grows, he still retains his accessibility to the public. Also, I have yet to find a finer built cab than the ML112. Everything about the ML112 screams 1st class. It really is one of nicest built cabs on the market, IMO of course.
 
Over the past 1.5 years, I've been a happy owner of a Berg AE212 but recently decided to revert back to a modular setup. So, in January, I sold the Berg and replaced it with a couple Baer ML112 cabs. While I've played smaller rehearsals and worship gigs using one cab, last night I had the opportunity to play a bigger 4-hr. gig with both cabs at a neighborhood Italian restaurant. In pic #1, this venue is not that large with tables that are about two feet from where we stand and the bar is at the far end under the overhead TVs. Our band (which comprises vocals, two guitars, keys, drums, bass and sax) plays a diverse set of Top-40 from the '70s-current that requires a good combo of fingerstyle and slap. The signal chain used was an "A" jazz-style 4-string --> Markbass SD1200 --> Baer ML112 stack. The room required slight EQ adjustments on the amp of a slight reduction of 40hz at 11 o'clock and boost of 150-200hz at 2 o'clock. All other amp knobs were flat with both VLE and VPF filters completely off (counter clock-wise). In pic #2, I decided to stack the cabs on end since I needed to stand right in front of them and wanted that add'l upper frequency articulation closer to my ears.

In their native voices, I find the Berg AE212 to be a little fuller down low and a little more pristine in the upper treble, as one would expect with a tweeter-loaded cab, and the Baer ML112s to be less full down low and have more "texture" in the upper mids while not extending quite so high. But because this was a louder, larger gig for the band using the Baer stack for the first time, I wasn't sure what to expect once we played our first downbeat, let alone the next four hours.

As I reflect on the gig, I liked this upper-mid texture quite a lot for fingerstyle. Most of the time, I have both pickups 50/50, but for songs like Soul Man, Mustang Sally, etc., I solo the neck pickup. On one song, My Sharona, I solo the bridge pickup. The add'l upper-mid detail afforded by the Baers was, to my ears, a positive benefit by providing add'l detail to each note irrespective of pickup balance. I really liked what I heard.

There are a few songs where I slap 100% - Play That Funky Music, Take On Me, Dead Man's Party, Notorious - and the tone of the Baers struck me differently. On the gig, the tone was less pristine (compared to the high-end you might think of when playing gospel, for example), but this did not come as a surprise given the design approach of the Baers. However, I must say that the tone lended a different feel/texture to the song that was different...it was more "in your face," but in a positive way.

So, in the end, while I consider the Berg AE212 a fine cab, I do not miss it. I am satisfied with the Baer ML112s and look forward to gigging with these for a long time to come.

I also enjoyed working with Roger who I found courteous as well as responsive to both TB PMs and external e-mails during our 3-month sales cycle (which was caused by my uncertainty about whether to move back to a modular set-up).

Your comparison of the ML112 and the AE212 is right on. Both are great.

I actually find the ML112 quite close to the original AE210 and AE410 cabs, which are brighter and have a bit more character in the upper midrange, and are quite a bit tighter (even more than the ML112) in the low end than the AE212.

I've actually been recommending the ML112's to TBer's who are looking for AE210's or AE410's, since those cabs are no longer in production.

Not identical (a single ML112 is deeper, louder, and a bit more 'accurate' than a single AE210), but definitely in that tone universe.
 
Well, I'm four gigs into my ML112s. Couldn't want for much more in the sound or portability department. I've paired them with my Eden WT800 and my Shuttlemax 9.2, both with great results. I haven't tried them with the Walter Woods Ultra yet, but I can't imagine that will disappoint either.

My guitar player picked one up last night helping me load in and was really amazed at the light weight vs the size of the sound I've been getting.
 
Any updates on the ML212? I think it will pair up really well with the TH500

I run a TH500 with my Baer ML112's. No issues here. For rehearsals and small gigs, one ML112 is plenty. I own a pair. Aside from playing a larger stage or with a "loud" band, I can't see myself needing to use the pair. But....it is nice having the pair for those "just in case moments" when you need the extra volume. Plus, I like having a back up speaker in case something was to happen to one of them. My suggestion, get a pair of ML's instead of the 212. Chances are you will more than likely only need to schlep one for most of stuff if you play small clubs and have a band who doesn't play insanely loud. You'll appreciate the carry factor of one 112 vs one 212. Then you'll have the extra 112 for the times when you need more volume. Also, roger offers a 10 day trial period. So take one 112 home for 10 days and give it a spin. If one won't cut your mustard for day to day playing, send it back and get a 212. You'll be surprised how much volume an bass one ML112 will give you.
 
Any updates on the ML212? I think it will pair up really well with the TH500

We should be placing another order for drivers here soon. Once those come in, we should be able to put the ML212 back into the line up. I'm guessing about 12 weeks. It's really a pretty awesome one cab solution and lets us get the drivers in optimal orientation for those would would normally run two cabs most of the time.
 
We should be placing another order for drivers here soon. Once those come in, we should be able to put the ML212 back into the line up. I'm guessing about 12 weeks. It's really a pretty awesome one cab solution and lets us get the drivers in optimal orientation for those would would normally run two cabs most of the time.

...or for Small/Medium/Large solutions:

a 2.66 Ohm (or lower) capable amp (like the Valkyrie), an ML112, and an ML212.

:bassist:
 
I just wanted to post a note of appreciation to KJung, who started this thread. I've always found his equipment reviews and comments on tone-related matters to be very helpful. Often, as in the case of the Baer cabs, his insight put me in a position to take my tone to the next level.

So...many thanks, Ken! :bassist: And I hope you continue to create threads like this one.
 
I just wanted to post a note of appreciation to KJung, who started this thread. I've always found his equipment reviews and comments on tone-related matters to be very helpful. Often, as in the case of the Baer cabs, his insight put me in a position to take my tone to the next level.

So...many thanks, Ken! :bassist: And I hope you continue to create threads like this one.

Thanks! I enjoy doing this, although can't see me doing much more at this point!

Roger is the one that should get the thanks, since he made this beautiful sounding box, and was nice enough to part with one for a week or two to allow me to give it a run through and start the review process on TB.

I've been involved with mid driver loaded boxes for almost 20 years now, starting with the EA VL line, then moving to Acme's, then 'quality testing' all those mid loaded boxes the LDS made starting about a decade ago, and now on to the new batch of neo driven cabs with heavy duty woofers and low crossed over top end drivers (horns like Duke, or paper cone 6" like Roger, etc.).

As with any class of cab, they all sound different, and I like some MUCH more than others (primarily driven by the choice of mid driver and the quality and voicing of the crossover, and of course, the voicing of the low end).

Roger Baer got this one right IMO... very musical, not clinical sounding up top, no need for massive EQ, extra hi passing or massive power. Wonderful voicing, and a true 'gigging pro' piece of gear (by that, I mean, just like Duke's Thunderchild, a cab that can do a reasonable sized gig with most amps out on the market with no additional EQ, filters, or whatever, with minimum fussing).

Nice box!
 
We should be placing another order for drivers here soon. Once those come in, we should be able to put the ML212 back into the line up. I'm guessing about 12 weeks. It's really a pretty awesome one cab solution and lets us get the drivers in optimal orientation for those would would normally run two cabs most of the time.


Roger please hurry getting the ML212 back into the lineup. LOL
 
We've been working on the ML115 for a few months now. The ML212 fills the need for a bigger and louder ML112 type tone, so I think we have that tone profile covered pretty well. For me, when I think 15" cab, I think vintage tone, so that's what we are going for. Different voicing on the 15" driver and a different mid. While the 12" cabs have a very modern voice, the ML115 will be all about big, fat vintage like tone. Bigger low end, less upper mids and a less extended top end reach.
 
R Baer said:
We've been working on the ML115 for a few months now. The ML212 fills the need for a bigger and louder ML112 type tone, so I think we have that tone profile covered pretty well. For me, when I think 15" cab, I think vintage tone, so that's what we are going for. Different voicing on the 15" driver and a different mid. While the 12" cabs have a very modern voice, the ML115 will be all about big, fat vintage like tone. Bigger low end, less upper mids and a less extended top end reach.

I like this description of the 115 a lot!!
 
We've been working on the ML115 for a few months now. The ML212 fills the need for a bigger and louder ML112 type tone, so I think we have that tone profile covered pretty well. For me, when I think 15" cab, I think vintage tone, so that's what we are going for. Different voicing on the 15" driver and a different mid. While the 12" cabs have a very modern voice, the ML115 will be all about big, fat vintage like tone. Bigger low end, less upper mids and a less extended top end reach.
Oh man! I like where that's going...