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Baer Amplification Megathread!

#541
I know I should be waiting until after the honeymoon.

However I have had one of these in my possession before and they are really fantastic. I'm very happy with mine.

The match up very well with the LMII and It will be going through gig paces later this week in 3 different rooms. More to report later.
 
#542
basswave said:
I know I should be waiting until after the honeymoon.

However I have had one of these in my possession before and they are really fantastic. I'm very happy with mine.

The match up very well with the LMII and It will be going through gig paces later this week in 3 different rooms. More to report later.
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The one at the GTG seemed to suit you really well, Bro. I dug it a lot too.
 
#543
Passinwind said:
The one at the GTG seemed to suit you really well, Bro. I dug it a lot too.
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Thank You PW

I have slightly aggressive technique and I need clear & tight. Blurrier sounding cabs don't suite me you are correct, and the ML112 is just right there.

Its wrong to call this a '12' since its more then that and I agree with Ken's statment about it being a 'Super 12' with the 6" ect...However I like to call it a slappers 12s ;):hiding::)

I hope that you get to come out to another GTG on the East.
Better yet...I need to come out there.:)
 
#545
R Baer said:
Part of this is due to the fact that many cabs have a dip in the upper mids and a good majority of amps out there have dramatic EQ curve built into their "flat" settings. For years we have got used to dealing with these factors when using our amps eq's. If I remember right, you were using a Mesa M6 which has a pronounced upper end boost built in. With that amp, I'm not surprised you needed to come at your eq from a different angle with the ML112. Pair the ML's with an amp that have a flat, or near flat preamp (like the LMII, for example) and it's a totally different experience.
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You nailed it. I just got my first Pbass (well a Nash version, but still), and it is having a similar impact on how I hear bass guitar and mixes in general. If had a different amp, I'd have been more attracted to the Baer more quickly, but it took me some time to wrap my ears around what it was doing, and how it worked with my entire signal chain.
 
#546
monsterthompson said:
You nailed it. I just got my first Pbass (well a Nash version, but still), and it is having a similar impact on how I hear bass guitar and mixes in general. If had a different amp, I'd have been more attracted to the Baer more quickly, but it took me some time to wrap my ears around what it was doing, and how it worked with my entire signal chain.
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Well, then that was your problem the whole time....you needed a Precision Bass......you can't get more precise than that.















:D
 
#547
Fab Savage said:
Hi Tom

Thanks so very much for taking the time out to make these comparisons. It is as I feared.

Sounds like this cab would pair well with my Ashdown LB30 and EBS T90 (when it arrives), I just wish there was a way to make it work with my VBA400 :bassist: ......

Apart from buying 2 ML112's of course!!

*Sigh so much gear, so little time

Oh BTW Tom, did you push the pignose or others into overdrive territory at all?

Thanks again

Mike
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I just ordered an EBS T90 from AMS about 10 mins ago:hyper:....should be here (hopefully) in 5-7 biz days. Right now, I'm using an Aguilar TH500....which sounds pretty good. But, I have been SERIOUSLY jonsin' for valve power lately. I "think" the T90 should be a perfect mate for the pair of ML112's I have. I will report back on how the T90 sounds with the ML112 once I get the amp in hand.
 
#550
The FedEx dude brought my pair a couple days ago. :hyper:

I'm following the suggestion in the manual to break 'em in at low volume for four to six hours, and I didn't have enough time to do that before last night's rehearsal so I can't report on how they sit in the band's mix.

But I've spent a few hours with them in my home practice room, and I'm really liking how clean and even they are all across my 5 string's range. I'm just not hearing the bumps and dips all my old cabs had. OTOH, I like that they sound like bass cabs, not studio monitors. I've got a Markbass F1 pushing the cabs, with the EQ set flat and the VPF and VLE turned to zero.

I'm especially digging the slap sound of that mid driver. Way sweeter than the usual tweets.

Good work, Roger!
 
#551
Ewo said:
The FedEx dude brought my pair a couple days ago. :hyper:

I'm following the suggestion in the manual to break 'em in at low volume for four to six hours, and I didn't have enough time to do that before last night's rehearsal so I can't report on how they sit in the band's mix.

But I've spent a few hours with them in my home practice room, and I'm really liking how clean and even they are all across my 5 string's range. I'm just not hearing the bumps and dips all my old cabs had. OTOH, I like that they sound like bass cabs, not studio monitors. I've got a Markbass F1 pushing the cabs, with the EQ set flat and the VPF and VLE turned to zero.

I'm especially digging the slap sound of that mid driver. Way sweeter than the usual tweets.

Good work, Roger!
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Congrats!

Looking forward to a post-gig report.
 
#552
Roger Baer, have you &/or someone you trust gigged a vertical stack consisting of three ML112 driven by a prototype of your amp (Valkyrie)?

If so, what does that compare to sonically?

I'm thinking that might 'slam' just right and cover just about any venue that would not REQUIRE being in a good PA.
 
#553
Three ML112's with the Valkyrie is just scary loud and I have to admit, pretty darn cool looking. Personally, I would never need that much volume, but I would imagine it would cover just about any gig. While some of the guys prefer stacking the cabs vertically, I almost always prefer stacking them horizontal. I don't find that the clarity of the cabs is diminished hardly at all by having the mids a bit lower down, as the dispersion from them is quite good, even right up in front of the cabs. With one single cab, I prefer it on end.

With these cabs, stacking horizontal puts the woofers closer together, as well as closer to the floor and gives the stack a bit bigger and fuller low end. Seems like a lot of the guys though, prefer to stack them vertical which gives the low end a punchier sound and gets the top mid closer to your ear. Nice thing is that you can use this to your advantage when dialing in a room with your rig. If you're in a room with a big, boomy low end build up on stage, stacking them vertically can help. Likewise, if you are finding you need a little bigger low end for the room, stacking horizontal helps beef up the low end.
 
#554
R Baer said:
Three ML112's with the Valkyrie is just scary loud and I have to admit, pretty darn cool looking. Personally, I would never need that much volume, but I would imagine it would cover just about any gig. While some of the guys prefer stacking the cabs vertically, I almost always prefer stacking them horizontal. I don't find that the clarity of the cabs is diminished hardly at all by having the mids a bit lower down, as the dispersion from them is quite good, even right up in front of the cabs. With one single cab, I prefer it on end.

With these cabs, stacking horizontal puts the woofers closer together, as well as closer to the floor and gives the stack a bit bigger and fuller low end. Seems like a lot of the guys though, prefer to stack them vertical which gives the low end a punchier sound and gets the top mid closer to your ear. Nice thing is that you can use this to your advantage when dialing in a room with your rig. If you're in a room with a big, boomy low end build up on stage, stacking them vertically can help. Likewise, if you are finding you need a little bigger low end for the room, stacking horizontal helps beef up the low end.
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I didn't ask my question very clearly.
Yeah, I was talking about a vertical stack with the cabs in their horizontal position.
Actually, I think the benefits of having the midrange drivers closer together would be more important than the bass drivers between stacking vertically whichever way.

Thanks for the input.

Anyone in the DFW TX area have a pair (or 3!!! :bassist: ) of the ML112?
 
#557
lo-freq said:
Doing any gigs with these in the area in the near future (well, starting next month -- I'm in the process of moving).
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Nothing lined up at the moment. Where're you moving to? Out of the metro I'm assuming. I'm "hopefully" moving as well.....but only up to McKinney. I should have all of the details worked out on my home purchase next week, and closing sometime mid April. PM me if you seriously want to hear the cabs, I will shoot you my #. We can talk logistics of meeting up then.
 
#558
g4string said:
Nothing lined up at the moment. Where're you moving to? Out of the metro I'm assuming. I'm "hopefully" moving as well.....but only up to McKinney. I should have all of the details worked out on my home purchase next week, and closing sometime mid April. PM me if you seriously want to hear the cabs, I will shoot you my #. We can talk logistics of meeting up then.
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Just a different part of Ft. Worth.

OK.
 
#559
I'm back with a report on one cab used at a rehearsal. The band is new, and we're working up our repertoire; I won't have a gig report for a few more weeks.

We're rehearsing in the drummer's garage: hard surfaces, muddy acoustics. We're not blowing the roof off with volume, but we didn't hold back either.

My bandmates commented that they could hear me more clearly, compared to the Aggie GS112 I'd been using. I think the upper mid response of the Baer is what they perceived.

I noticed that the cab responded nicely to my tweaking the onboard EQ of my bass. My usual approach is to set the amp EQ to get a basic sound in the room, and then make tone changes on the bass to suit different tunes or different techniques (finger, slap, palm muted). I really enjoyed how the cab responded to this.

Another thing I liked in rehearsal, which I'd noticed at home in my practice room, is that the cab's response is very even through the entire range of the bass. Notes on the B string spoke clearly, without being boomy. Notes on the G string above the 10th fret seemed just as full as the middle register.

The words that come to mind are consistency and predictability. These are desirable to me; the cab responded to my touch and EQ tweaks as I wanted it to.

The change from a tweet to the mid driver is a good one, IMO. Playing the slap style, the pops and muted plucks were bright enough to cut through the mix, but weren't harsh or glassy. I would say the cab isn't a good choice for someone who wanted to hear stuff above 10K--but I don't. I've always had to rein in the tweets on other cabs (pad them down on the cab, roll off the amp or bass treble).

As Tom Bowlus noted earlier, I don't mind losing some of the fret rattle and string squeak.

Bottom line: these are my new cabs. :bassist:
 
#560
Hey Steve,
I get a lot of comments on how the paper mid seems to "move more air" and have more "punch" than a tweeter. I think it definitely gives a different feel to the top end, for sure. Glad to hear they are working out for you!
 

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