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Baer Amplification Megathread!

#901
My experience with the Quad was short, and disappointing.
It felt very...bland, it was very power hungry, and felt short on both deep bass, and treble sheen.
It never left the house.

The ML112, to me, has perfect bass heft without blur, a nice push in the mids, and as much treble response as you'll ever get short of having a compression driver/horn.
 
#905
Just receieved an ML112. I couldn't be more impressed.

First thing that struck me was the quality of the craftmanship. Just outstanding down to the last detail.

Then, I plugged it in. Oh my. Just what I was looking for. As stated here, plenty of bottom with nice full mids and wonderful top end sheen.

This cab will cover virtually everything I do. I always get FOH support. For really big gigs, a combination of this cab for some near field thump and IEM's will get it done.

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#907
Most cabs do, even fEarfuls, if you're standing up close. Need to go out in the room a bit to really get the point of cabs with improved radiation patterns.

Less so than normal cabs up close, but still, the idea of the improved radiation is that the off-axis is loud enough to remain intelligible once everything is dominated by reverberant energy.

Hope I'm explaining that in a way that isn't uh, wrong, or confusing :)

* Note, I've found that the Audiokinesis cabs seem to have the most easily predictable off-axis performance in the nearfield. Within the arc of the horn it's pretty much the same and outside of it it's pretty drastic. At least, that's my experience.
 
#908
Flux Jetson said:
On another issue, last night I jammed with some friends for roughly two solid hours. I had my rig at 100% capacity (if that matters).

I noticed the ML112 is pretty directional. It sounds quite a bit different off-axis than it does when directly on axis.
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If you're pushing it hard, adding a 2nd cab can improve things both by raising the height of your rig and adding 5 to 6 dB more headroom which just fills the room more and feels less like a point source.
 
#909
rpsands said:
Most cabs do, even fEarfuls, if you're standing up close. Need to go out in the room a bit to really get the point of cabs with improved radiation patterns.

Less so than normal cabs up close, but still, the idea of the improved radiation is that the off-axis is loud enough to remain intelligible once everything is dominated by reverberant energy.

Hope I'm explaining that in a way that isn't uh, wrong, or confusing :)

* Note, I've found that the Audiokinesis cabs seem to have the most easily predictable off-axis performance in the nearfield. Within the arc of the horn it's pretty much the same and outside of it it's pretty drastic. At least, that's my experience.
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great point about near/far/axis. Roger pointed out (to me) that his cabs sound different when placed horizontal/vertical. the mid driver axis and proximity to the ear is noticeable, as well as the coupling effect with the floor.
 
#910
5StringPocket said:
If you're pushing it hard, adding a 2nd cab can improve things both by raising the height of your rig and adding 5 to 6 dB more headroom which just fills the room more and feels less like a point source.
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+1 I've a chance to hear others playing the cab live and one of the things I've been very pleased with, is how consistent the sound is while moving throughout the club. Any cab of this type has it's limits, but I'm pretty happy with the off axis performance of this cab. I get lots of compliments from guys who tend to play with one cab on the floor right behind them on stage and they seem to be very happy with the cab even at an extreme off axis situation, such as this.

One issue we do have is that because these types of cabs have been labeled "Super 12's", there is a tendency for players to overestimate the amount of volume they cab expect from a single 12" cab. I get plenty of calls from guys looking to replace a 410 or larger cab with single ML112 and I always try to stress the point that a single 112 cab is just not going to achieve those sound levels, no matter how "super" it may be.
 
#912
R Baer said:
I get plenty of calls from guys looking to replace a 410 or larger cab with single ML112 and I always try to stress the point that a single 112 cab is just not going to achieve those sound levels, no matter how "super" it may be.
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That was probably one of the biggest factors that pushed me to the composite fEARful 15/6. It was a bit more cab than I was initially looking at, but I wanted a one-cab solution and didn't want to find myself under-powered. To be fair, for the cost, I could have almost gone with two ML112 cabs to get a modular solution to the volume issue. However, my priorities were to have a 35lb single cab that I could manage with my physical limitations (due to injury). I was pretty eager to go with the ML112, and liked much about it and the builder. I think if I had been playing through my current bass and amp configuration, I'd probably be satisfied with the ML112.
 
#913
Roger;
I really admire your consistently honest approach to marketing and product abilities/qualities. Thanks...


R Baer said:
+1 I've a chance to hear others playing the cab live and one of the things I've been very pleased with, is how consistent the sound is while moving throughout the club. Any cab of this type has it's limits, but I'm pretty happy with the off axis performance of this cab. I get lots of compliments from guys who tend to play with one cab on the floor right behind them on stage and they seem to be very happy with the cab even at an extreme off axis situation, such as this.

One issue we do have is that because these types of cabs have been labeled "Super 12's", there is a tendency for players to overestimate the amount of volume they cab expect from a single 12" cab. I get plenty of calls from guys looking to replace a 410 or larger cab with single ML112 and I always try to stress the point that a single 112 cab is just not going to achieve those sound levels, no matter how "super" it may be.
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#916
Your typical bargain basement 4x10 uses drivers with around 90-92db sensitivity and 4 of them adds around 6db, getting you right around the same as the ML112.

Those bargain basement woofers usually have around 100cc of displacement apiece, getting you into similar territory as the ML112's woofer (+/- a few cc).

Roger offers a 10 day refund policy so you're out shipping to try it out; or you can resell it, and the ML112s seem to be shedding about 100-150 used.

Good gamble, IMHO.
 
#917
R Baer said:
+1 I've a chance to hear others playing the cab live and one of the things I've been very pleased with, is how consistent the sound is while moving throughout the club. Any cab of this type has it's limits, but I'm pretty happy with the off axis performance of this cab. I get lots of compliments from guys who tend to play with one cab on the floor right behind them on stage and they seem to be very happy with the cab even at an extreme off axis situation, such as this.

One issue we do have is that because these types of cabs have been labeled "Super 12's", there is a tendency for players to overestimate the amount of volume they cab expect from a single 12" cab. I get plenty of calls from guys looking to replace a 410 or larger cab with single ML112 and I always try to stress the point that a single 112 cab is just not going to achieve those sound levels, no matter how "super" it may be.
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I bought my ML112's figuring a pair could replace a good 410 with a modular system having a bit more solid low end and better dispersion.
I was not disappointed. From my experience two of these with an 800 - 900 watt amp into 4 ohms can best a 410 and sound great doing it. The ability to stack the cabs wide or tall is also a plus for additional sound shaping to fit the room. Don't get me wrong, I like my 410 and the sound it brings but these things hammer in a good way. Looking forward to see how the upcoming ML115 fits into the mix... :smug:
 
#918
I like the well chosen Vb of the shipping box - coming in mighty handy during our move right now and just the right size for my closet :D Now my clothes are the best protected thing I've packed so far. :ninja:

Just another nice detail/touch to the ML112 package. There are probably some budget cabs that would break before the shipping boxes Roger uses.
 

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