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Barefaced 69'er thread

#25
I've modded my NV610 to pretty much these specs so, Im not as inclined as before to buy one but, I will say that this design works awsome and I have zero cab gas. If the price is right, the lower weight may end up winning me over though. Pics would be good. This has been floating around for awhile.
 
#26
billfitzmaurice said:
And 30 years overdue. Not to take anything away from Alex, but all he's doing is using acoustical engineering techniques that have long been known by every segment of the loudspeaker design community except the electric bass industry. What he's using here is called a .5 alignment, and the fact that it has a name is quite telling.
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Is this not the point though, an old school format cab that looks the part but with the "correct" design to allow better dispersion and improved listening for the player? they may be old techniques but they are rarely used in this business. Well done Alex I say for pulling off something that is the best of both worlds.

Now to see and hear it.....
 
#28
Bass Unique said:
they may be old techniques but they are rarely used in this business...
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More's the pity. It's not like one should have expected Ampeg to use an x.5 alignment in 1969, as even the hi-fi guys weren't using it then. But they were by 1979. Right now guys like Alex are to Ampeg et al as Burt Rutan is to NASA.
 
#32
This looks like the optimum multi 10 cab for those who like vintage-meets-modern. The Barefaced website description is good, especially concerning the more even frequency response and improved mid/high dispersion, but I'd like to hear this side by side against a good ported 410 like my GB Uber 410 to get a better feel for the sound differences. I'm thinking there might actually be a little less low end (5 sealed vs 4 ported) but it would be tighter with better note articulation. A sound clip with an Ampeg SVT or even a GB Streamliner 900 would provide a nice frame of reference. I think I'd trade up if the sound is that much better but it's hard to invest $1500 or so in a cab without hearing it. Hopefully someone can post some reviews and sound clips when it becomes available.
 
#33
One of the benefits of the flatback 810 it's supposed to sort of mimick is specifically the lack of deep lows....they somewhat slot themselves in the mix where you normally would slot the bass through eqing. Plenty of cabs would have more lowend, but that isn't the goal.
 
#34
5StringPocket said:
A sound clip with an Ampeg SVT or even a GB Streamliner 900 would provide a nice frame of reference.
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Only if they were both measured 30 to 45 degrees off-axis. Alex isn't just addressing frequency response, he's also fixing the most serious flaw of the typical 410/610/810, which is dispersion.
 
#35
Agreed, and there isn't another .5 aligned 610 cab on the market that I'm aware of although Kringle77's mod of the Berg NV610 in this manner had good results. Will's comment about the natural voicing of the sealed 810 slotting bass in the mix where you normally would through eqing also seems relevant. Especially in a dense mix with a FOH system the last thing you want is a booming cab muddying up the mix. I think solid even bass, properly slotted in the mix with good dispersion is ideal for a live performance cab. Good percussive support that's fat but tight with nice singing mids and highs that can be heard in the mix is what I go for. Seems like this is what the Barefaced 69er might excel at. It's not about max anything but more about having the right stuff with enough headroom to sound the way you want so you can move past the gear and focus on playing and performing. Looking forward to seeing this out.
 
#36
5StringPocket just said it all. Since it has taken so long for this cab to come down the pipe I've lost most of my interested in it. My success with modding the nv610 had alot to do with that as well. But, shaving 35lbs off a cab does have a way of changing your mind too. Hopefully it has the right wheels and handles when/if it ever comes out. I don't know what drivers are going to be used but, with that much weight difference they are probably not as heavy duty as the berg drivers. It's all speculation of course. Release the Kraken all ready!
 

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