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Bass Northwest

Normally I'd prefer to keep conversations like this between us and the customer but I feel that BNW is getting slagged unfairly.
As a bystander, I'm really glad that you came here to give your side of things. Too often vendors and builders take the more confidential approach, which would seem to make sense except that all the random people on the internet are going to draw the worst possible conclusion if you don't speak up, so business gets hurt. IOW in this day and age, it's better to be transparent than confidential, in all matters that aren't like medically/legally/ethically too sensitive. So--thanks!
Lastly "big smile with a stone cold heart" Did I read that right? OUCH!
I'm pretty sure he meant BNW, not you. Still an "ouch" for them, but they have been earning it according to some people here.
 
I sincerely hope you'll pardon the interruption here....I know NOTHING about any of this thread, but I was casually reading it and I read the quote above...and I hope that you'll forgive me in advance, but that's the most bizarre way of doing business that I have ever heard.......

Would it not make far greater sense to give the customer what he is paying for and be done with it?

I dunno...seems like one hell of a waste of resources.....

Again...Sorry :atoz:

I wish it were that simple. Every piece of wood has a slightly different color and degree of figure. Getting the most out of what nature provides you doesn't come easy every single time.

If you have experience doing high-end finishes on wood and have a better way please drop me an email, I'd be very interested to hear it.
 
Its an old retail saying that a satisfied customer tells 5 friends, a dissatisfied customer tells 25 friends. If you have too many dissatisfied customers, pretty soon you have no business.

Me? 1 transaction, a Genz-Benz Uber Quad, no problems, no hiccups, no issues whatsoever. There, five of you pay attention, please.
 
Why create the bad publicity? Why risk even one unhappy customer? It's clear they could care less about basses and are all about making money. Ironically, I sell cars, and if I tried to do what they are doing, I'd be out of job in a minute.

I've noticed that nowadays companies don't care about keeping customers. It's just about the initial sale. As long as they can get you to give them money once, they couldn't care less about keeping you. They're already on to the next sucker.

I find it odd that those companies are as successful as they are with that attitude.
 
I wish it were that simple. Every piece of wood has a slightly different color and degree of figure. Getting the most out of what nature provides you doesn't come easy every single time.

If you have experience doing high-end finishes on wood and have a better way please drop me an email, I'd be very interested to hear it.

Nope...and it wasn't intended as a challenge. Never finished a piece of wood in my life save for Wood Shop 40 years ago in HS....:D

However, now that you mention it, and strictly for my personal edification, how many times a year does something like this happen?
 
First, I've reached an agreement with BNW about what to do about this situation. Second, Sheldon has communicated with me and did offer to redo it. I do own a Dingwall ABZ and the quality is outstanding. I just can't physically play bass anymore due to a non healing injury and felt I should have been able to cancel an order when it wasn't built.

I'll finish this last post by saying, Evan has always talked to me and given me good advice in the past. I like the shop as it's an easy trip for me. I wish I hadn't had to use TalkBass as a fulcrum to get a response. As a business, I would suggest that good will and a positive experience will always pay you back more than the profit from an individual sale. Especially in todays well connected world. Had this been resolved 90 days ago when first addressed, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
First, I've reached an agreement with BNW about what to do about this situation. Second, Sheldon has communicated with me and did offer to redo it. I do own a Dingwall ABZ and the quality is outstanding. I just can't physically play bass anymore due to a non healing injury and felt I should have been able to cancel an order when it wasn't built.

I'll finish this last post by saying, Evan has always talked to me and given me good advice in the past. I like the shop as it's an easy trip for me. I wish I hadn't had to use TalkBass as a fulcrum to get a response. As a business, I would suggest that good will and a positive experience will always pay you back more than the profit from an individual sale. Especially in todays well connected world. Had this been resolved 90 days ago when first addressed, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Wow. just wow. I see this is your second post, the first one stirred the xxxx pot and now we find out the real reason you wanted a refund. I'm very sorry if you have a career ending injury and can't play bass anymore, truly I am. But IMHO you owe BNW and DW an apology.
 
Wow. just wow. I see this is your second post, the first one stirred the xxxx pot and now we find out the real reason you wanted a refund. I'm very sorry if you have a career ending injury and can't play bass anymore, truly I am. But IMHO you owe BNW and DW an apology.

Agreed. Being pissed about your custom bass order being late is one thing - being pissed that they don't want to give you a refund because your situation changed is something different. You made a big fuss about BNW & Dingwall being bad guys, without explaining the matter in full. Dirty pool, IMO.

Points to Sheldon at DW for being clear about his side of the issue.
 
rollerberg2000 said:
Wow. just wow. I see this is your second post, the first one stirred the xxxx pot and now we find out the real reason you wanted a refund. I'm very sorry if you have a career ending injury and can't play bass anymore, truly I am. But IMHO you owe BNW and DW an apology.

Yeah, that's some major-league BS right there. Your situation changed after ordering and you expect to be able to get out of a deal. Definitely an apology in order.

I've only had one dealing with BNW, a G&L Tribby L-2500 this summer. They agreed to match a really low Internet price on it, did a great setup and got it to me really fast. Fantastic transaction.
 
KingRazor said:
I've noticed that nowadays companies don't care about keeping customers. It's just about the initial sale. As long as they can get you to give them money once, they couldn't care less about keeping you. They're already on to the next sucker.

I find it odd that those companies are as successful as they are with that attitude.

That's generally because with the internet now customer loyalty is pretty much based on the lowest price, not the best service. Internet makes it rough on sales.
 
grendle said:
That's generally because with the internet now customer loyalty is pretty much based on the lowest price, not the best service. Internet makes it rough on sales.

+1 Yup most people nowadays are only looking for the cheapest price. You never hear from the majority of them again no matter how well you took care of them.
 
I am unfamiliar with Bass Northwest in that I have no transactions with them. I have a multiple year relationship with Sheldon Dingwall, flirting with buying something new, and then miraculously finding exactly what I want on the secondary market. Sheldon has been more than accomodating guiding me through my requests and small purchases to get each of these secondary acquisitions up to my expectations. Knowingly, or unknowingly, he has adopted the "Toyota" way of being as concerned with the second, third, and subsequent buyers of his product, in addition to the first buyer of his product. Extremely wise business protocol on his part, no matter who winds up with one of his basses, he genuinly seems to care that the downstream owners are as happy as the original owners.

To our new friend gillesgc, it's way too late to go back in time, but if I had the same set of misfortunes strike me in the middle of a purchase, I would have set out being up front and honest with all parties, rather than attack Bass Northwest and in an incilliary fashion, Sheldon Dingwall. Sheldon and his crew are number one on customer care and honesty and are extremely forthcoming on solving any customer dissatisfaction to the point of their detriment if necessary.

I contend that if your actual circumstances were revealed at the onset, your response from BNW would have looked different than attacking the work performed by Dingwall, demanding absolutes based on "their" lack of meeting expectations and publishing on a public forum where withdrawel of statements made are at best insufficient. You would have gained my sympathy as well as perhaps BNW and DW had you come forth with this career ending injury, and the subsequent no further need for the project, as well as more of an accomodating stance when it came to the refund of your down payment. A Dingwall bass is going to sell even in this rough economy, so no harm no foul.

A more conciliatory response regarding your situation would have more than likely met with a resolution in your favor as opposed to what went down in these few responses on this thread.

Good luck to you gillesgc, I hope your condition does not prevent you from playing bass in the future, and it is my sincere hope that no negative feedback fall on BNW whom I have no dealings with , nor my friends Sheldon, Barry, Jeff and crew at the Dingwall shop. I haven't met them personally, but consider them friends, as they have gone out of their way to answer questions and sell me exactly what I needed to update many second hand purchases.

Blessings on you all!
Jeff
 
Caca de Kick said:
+1 Yup most people nowadays are only looking for the cheapest price. You never hear from the majority of them again no matter how well you took care of them.

There are some of us that value service and don't buy based on price alone. But too many people know the price of everything and value of nothing.

Also communication goes a long way towards preventing problems during a purchase. Both parties are responsible for making that happen.
 
Nope...and it wasn't intended as a challenge. Never finished a piece of wood in my life save for Wood Shop 40 years ago in HS....:D

However, now that you mention it, and strictly for my personal edification, how many times a year does something like this happen?

I have two of Sheldon's basses. One of which has a very 'custom' finish with multiple tones with multiple burst combinations. To make things even more difficult, the wood of my bass is different, front and back and on the front, the figure is very complex with zones of wildly different color tone. He used his judgment in doing the colors based upon what I asked and described, and it came out BETTER than what I wanted.

Its a VERY different situation than spraying a simple solid finish on primed wood, or even a basic run of the mill sunburst on alder or ash. More transparency means much more complexity especially when it comes to an extraordinary wood (in my case highly flamed highly spalted maple). In the meantime, it took some doing for Sheldon to find the right piece of wood to make it work, and that I also liked. It also took time to get the colors right for spraying. All of that equals loads of time, effort and money on Sheldon's part.

In the end, each piece of wood is different and there's a lot of artistry in getting that piece of wood to the finish line, and some flexibility on the artist's (luthier) part to make that happen. I don't doubt that Sheldon happily offered to re-build and respray the customer's bass. He offered it to me at one point in the process when things didn't go quite as planned, and I took him up on it.
 
I've dealt with BassNW and thought they were great.

They gave me a decent deal on a trade and I bought a Spector Forte 4 from them. Now I've ordered my 2nd Spector, an NS2 and
I've had flawless communications with the owner, Evan and he's been very pleasant and is working hard to help me get exactly what I want.

I'd recommend them to anyone.
 
I have bought and sold with BNW for years [ seattle native]. One bad bass out of many and Evan made it mostly right. I did not push any farther on that because I was partially complicit. So one partially bad deal and 25 good ones.

They are great guys. And yes, it is a business. I am sure they have made mistakes. The only way to really know would be to hear both sides of the story on the " bad " deals/