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bassists who don't like jaco

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#281
Haha, nice to see people calling him a troll and some dumb kid. Read his second post. He's just wondering why these videos were so bad. Chill out guys, yeesh. :rolleyes:

As others have told you, he was in a bad state during the time period of videos. Too bad too, he was a genius. RIP.
 
#283
Trust me on this: in Jaco's better days, when you heard him live the last thing that comes to mind is "where's the bottom". What came to mind was "this guy is the most amazing bass player I've ever seen". There's lots of fantastic players around now, but when you heard him back in the late 60's, early 70's, there was nothing like it.
 
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Puru said:
Trust me on this: in Jaco's better days, when you heard him live the last thing that comes to mind is "where's the bottom". What came to mind was "this guy is the most amazing bass player I've ever seen". There's lots of fantastic players around now, but when you heard him back in the late 60's, early 70's, there was nothing like it.
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arguably, there are two dinstinct periods in the electric bass' history:

pre Jaco and Stanley
post Jaco and Stanley
 
#286
flatwoundfender said:
While he was quite a bass soloist, but when playing with a band I find he leaves something to be desired. I've listened to Come on Come Over and the Chicken, those are not monster grooves. Listen to Home Cookin, What's Going On, I'm Wondering, or anything Jamerson played on. That's groove. There is no bottom with Jaco.
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I don't think we can look at Jaco in the usual sense of Bass player. He had a unique and powerful sound that went beyond in the pocket or holding down the bottom. I think he was a cat that could have picked up any instrument and acheived the same status he had on Electric Bass. How he played was how he was expressing himself, lack of bottom so on and so forth. His role in any band was different from any other Bass player because that's what he chose to do. His sound,his ideas turned the Jazz/Fusion world of the late 70's and early upside down. There was no fault in his playing, groove wise or sonically because that's the way he wanted to sound and quite a few people wanted that sound. His only fault was where we all fall short being human.
You gotta love Jamerson for Jamerson Jaco for Jaco it all sounds great. Some cats do one thing some do another. Jaco had groove just not Jamerson's groove,Sting on Bass got groove just not Jaco's groove or Jamerson's groove. I could go on and on. All these Bassist express themselves very well thru the Bass. That self expression gives them their own groove. I think that's the most challenging thing finding your own groove.:bassist:
 
#287
I, too, was introduced to Jaco through random dwls on kazaa. This is not a good way to get accustomed to Jaco.

Even when i got his solo album, i only liked some songs. In fact, Donna Lee is still not listenable for me to this day.

However, his stuff in bands is absolutely great and inspiring. I suggest you try dwling stuff from Weather Report and the things he did with Joni Mitchell. Then, when you've heard it all, you should really make your opinion.
 
#288
Twistad said:
I, too, was introduced to Jaco through random dwls on kazaa. This is not a good way to get accustomed to Jaco.

Even when i got his solo album, i only liked some songs. In fact, Donna Lee is still not listenable for me to this day.

However, his stuff in bands is absolutely great and inspiring. I suggest you try dwling stuff from Weather Report and the things he did with Joni Mitchell. Then, when you've heard it all, you should really make your opinion.
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Or, y'know, you could actually BUY some of it...
 
#289
Puru said:
Trust me on this: in Jaco's better days, when you heard him live the last thing that comes to mind is "where's the bottom". What came to mind was "this guy is the most amazing bass player I've ever seen". There's lots of fantastic players around now, but when you heard him back in the late 60's, early 70's, there was nothing like it.
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Listening to Heavy Weather, where's the bottom does come to mind. I far prefered Miroslav and Alphonso.
 
#290
Scott Zoltok said:
Haha, nice to see people calling him a troll and some dumb kid. Read his second post. He's just wondering why these videos were so bad. Chill out guys, yeesh. :rolleyes:

As others have told you, he was in a bad state during the time period of videos. Too bad too, he was a genius. RIP.
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Some of this is pretty lame. He saw a couple of videos (I haven't seen them) that many have said are subpar. HE didn't come off like a troll at all IMO, OTOH the people who went kneejerk and attacked him aren't exactly setting a shining example.

IOW lighten up, Franci.

Asking a question about videos doesn't require that you know someone's life story, the videos should stand or fall on their own merit. The ones in question apparently don't stand all that well in many eyes.

I liked Jaco and think it doesn't hurt to keep your ears open for other players especially on the groove tip.
 
#291
Well - if somebody has a serious medical condition that has been passed on to their family - then it has some relevance...?

And as has been pointed out many times - we seem to get an "I don't get Jaco Troll" every month now - regular as clockwork ...I think some the regulars are starting to get tired of this - maybe we need a Jaco FAQ?
 
#293
As far as Jaco goes-
Few months back I was re-reading a Jazztimes issue(Jaco on the cover; POJ was soon-to-be-released)...somewhere in the article it mentioned how most people between 40-60 loved the guy; most people over/under that bracket didn't see what all the fuss was about.
Next time 'the urge' hits, I'll try to remember & re-visit that article for more details.
 
#295
JimK said:
As far as Jaco goes-
Few months back I was re-reading a Jazztimes issue(Jaco on the cover; POJ was soon-to-be-released)...somewhere in the article it mentioned how most people between 40-60 loved the guy; most people over/under that bracket didn't see what all the fuss was about.
Next time 'the urge' hits, I'll try to remember & re-visit that article for more details.
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I think that may be "skewed" by what the last poster mentioned - i.e. that people under 40 tend to download stuff for free and hence will get the crappy Jaco tracks - of which there were quite a few released after his death, to "cash in" ...so they get put off by downloading the odd free track.

Whereas those of us over 40 were around when there was no choice but to buy/listen to whole albums and also were more likley to have heard the officially-released albums which came out during his life and which are generally of a much higher quality than the posthumous "cash in " bootlegs ...:hmm:
 
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Richard Lindsey said:
It sure doesn't come to *my* mind. I guess we all hear things differently. Miroslav and Alphonso were great too.
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I agree - the frist 3 tracks in particular are hugely bassy on my Hi Fi system - with Zawinul often doubling the bass line on synth and Jaco-double tracking for a huge fretless sound on "A Remark you Made" and the second riff on TeenTown is one of the bassiest things on record ...etc. etc.
 
#298
Bruce Lindfield said:
I think that may be "skewed" by what the last poster mentioned - i.e. that people under 40 tend to download stuff for free and hence will get the crappy Jaco tracks - of which there were quite a few released after his death, to "cash in" ...so they get put off by downloading the odd free track.

Whereas those of us over 40 were around when there was no choice but to buy/listen to whole albums and also were more likley to have heard the officially-released albums which came out during his life and which are generally of a much higher quality than the posthumous "cash in " bootlegs ...:hmm:
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It seems that Jim was referring to a Jazztimes BEFORE Jaco's solo cd was released. That was a long time before anyone was downloading much besides porn;)
 
#299
Bruce Lindfield said:
Well - if somebody has a serious medical condition that has been passed on to their family - then it has some relevance...?
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Why?

Seriously. Does all music need to come with a history lesson attached, a prerequisite for deciding whether you like it or not?

And as has been pointed out many times - we seem to get an "I don't get Jaco Troll" every month now - regular as clockwork ...I think some the regulars are starting to get tired of this - maybe we need a Jaco FAQ?
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Maybe the "regulars" need to read something else. Maybe the regulars look for trolls everywhere.

EVERYONE is not as familiar with Jaco as the regulars, thank goodness. Here's what the "troll" wrote in his second post, the one I'm guessing the regulars ignored:

"Dont get me wrong Ive heard some songs of Weather Report and think they are great, im just wondering why these videos are so bad, so Im expressing my disappointment about his performance on these 2 particular videos".

Does that sound like a troll to you? If so, why? If not, why treat him like he did something he didn't do, namely trash the beloved Jaco?

The regulars should know that with the plethora of bootlegs out there, some don't show Jaco in the best light. This thread seems to exemplify the idea that some people aren't allowed to have an honest negative reaction to SOME of jaco's work. You guys might ask yourselves why?

Because it's Jaco? Like I said, lighten up. Not trying to sound callous but I've no doubt Fieldy has a family too. Think about it.:hmm:
 
#300
I wasn't treating him like a troll - I was simply giving the answer to his question - which is that Jaco deteriorated towards the end of his short life due to an underlying medical condition - if you want to ignore that fact - that's fine for you - but I was actually trying to help somebody who asked a question ...:hmm:

The second part of that post was about why some people might treat him as a troll - so I was explaining why he was getting negative responses - as we do have regular vists from trolls, whose only intention seems to be to wind up Jaco fans...:hmm:

Again - if you understand the sad nature of Jaco's demise - how it might affect the living members of his family (some of whom have actually visited TB) - than it may help those who are unaware, understand why it is a sensitive subject. :(

And I don't remember Fieldy dying tragically and leaving a young family bereft - run that by me again....:confused:
 
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