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Been playing for 12 years - should I quit?

Play bass if you enjoy playing bass. Quit playing bass if it does not bring you joy. Life is finite. Make the most of it and don’t fill your free time with occupations that you do not love. Simple.

But try buying a bunch of pedals and also try to fire a drummer. These help.
The drummer part especially! But seriously, tone is crazy subjective. Technique is super important. I’ve watched Marcus Miller pluck those strings and have longed for his tone. I think I’m almost there through equipment, and a whole lot of practice. Then one day, nothing. Same pluck, same equipment. Zip… like others, bass brings great joy to my life as does playing with other players (mostly). Quit? Meh, take a break and come back when you’re ready. Sometimes it’s about processing not always about practicing.
 
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I can leave my bass / pedals / amp at the same settings for a month, and every day it'll sound a bit different than what i remember hearing the day before... no, nothing has changed, other than my mood / state of mind, which sometimes makes a huge difference in perception.

That said, if you're not feeling it and want to walk away, at least put your stuff in storage, and give it another try later on.
 
Sorry if I skipped over this somewhere in the thread, but have you tried playing with different string gauges and tensions?

I went from .045-.105 rounds to .045-.100 flats and after an initial period of adjusting to the sound of the flats, I started getting the idea that my low notes sounded better and crisper. “Crisper” seemed kind of counterintuitive based on what I’d real about flats, which left me wondering in the slightly lower tension of the .100 E string allowed a different sort of “snap” off of the fingertip. Seems like even though the flats have less top and boing and clank, the beginnings of notes are easier to shape, including crisply.

Maybe it’s something that developed just from additional playing time, but I kinda think the string gauge shift helped me a little. Happily, it didn’t seem to make the lows more wimpy at all.
 
Caution - long post. As the thread title suggests, I have been playing the bass for over 12 years now. During this time, I've always considered it my main instrument and thus "identified as" a bassist. But I have never been happy with my tone - and I've lurked this place along with others to know that tone is in the fingers. And after over a decade of technique (along with gear) experimentation, I think I've reached the conclusion that my fingers just won't do it. So would it be better to cut my losses and call it quits?

I enjoy and have learned songs in a variety of genres. That said, rock and metal are an important part of my musical enjoyment. It was bassists like Steve Harris and Geddy Lee who inspired me to pick up bass in the first place and to practice. These players have bright, aggressive tones that cut through a mix and are clear even when playing quickly. As for me, I seem to have an unusually dull tone (and lower volume), which I initially attributed to beginner gear. But after a few years, when I started to hear other bassists play in person through the same gear, I heard a huge difference; me playing through a bass with the volume and tone knobs wide open sounds like pretty much anyone else playing with the tone almost all the way closed. Hell, I've even seen non-bassists / beginner bassists get sounds out of the instrument that are more pleasing to me than my own playing.

So I knew the problem was me. Determined to fix the problem that is me, I have tried varying my technique in pretty much every conceivable way. This included, but was not limited to: playing closer to the neck, playing closer to the bridge, playing more at an angle into the instrument, playing more at an angle across the instrument, playing hard, playing lightly, playing with fingers more bent, playing with fingers more straight, playing more relaxed, playing more stiff, playing with different fingers, and even playing left handed. I had a bassist (who produced a clearer tone than me) try to explain to me what he was doing. I had him explain right hand fingerstyle to me as if to a beginner. I also looked closely at what his hand was doing. Still no luck. People often like to say that if X player were to play through a different instrument or rig, they would still sound like X player. Well, turns out I have a signature tone, and I don't like it.

Over the years, I haven't just been practicing, of course. I played for my church for most of that time (until a few years ago), about every other week, often to fairly large audiences. I've also posted a video here or there on social media and shared with friends. I have always gotten compliments on my playing, from people with both musical and non-musical backgrounds (though never on my tone). I don't think the dull tone ever really impeded me on the context of church music, and some other genres. But I've always wanted to record my own rock and metal music. And over the years, I have always threw away any attempts I made in disgust after playing them back. If the type of song requires fast playing, it's mud.

Finally looking to remove my fingers from the equation, I started to try playing with a pick starting a month or two ago. I liked the sound I could get. Though I have felt like I had become a beginner again. Passages that would be easy for me fingerstyle are a struggle. The instrument no longer feels like an extension of me, but a bear I'm wrestling. But I've never been the type to be put off by practice, so this was a mountain I would have been willing to set out to conquer. However, more worryingly, still more recently (last couple weeks) I have been beginning to feel pain in my left arm. I am not a big person, and what I found that was causing it was trying to play with a proper thumb-on-the-back-of-the-neck left hand around frets 1-5. In order to position the bass to be comfortable for my picking hand, the neck is a bit further from me. I can alleviate the pain by playing with the thumb over the neck, like a guitarist would, but then I lose speed. I've been looking at how other pick bassists hold their bassist but haven't been able to settle into anything truly comfortable.

I don't know, man. I could try continuing to play with a pick, but get a short scale instrument (I have found the difference to be quite notable for me as a small person). Or some other solution that I'm not thinking of. But I'm getting tired of throwing money at my problems in vain. But I'm reluctant to quit because it just seems like a waste having spent years becoming proficient. I can always make music in other ways - I played piano for over a decade starting from when I was a kid, I've dabbled in guitar (but not super enjoyed it), and my drum rudiments are becoming...okay. But I like bass best.

Anyways, I'm just looking for honest advice and opinions from other musicians (and I fully admit that the vent was a little bit satisfying), if anybody here would be so inclined.
If you haven't already, I'd find a good teacher...
 
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Good question. So if we were to call the three joints in your finger the knuckle joint, middle joint, and fingertip joint, his criticism of my technique was that my fingertip joint wasn't bending much, if at all.

All the finger muscles are in your forearm. The largest, most powerful muscles bend your knuckle joint.

Here's a thought. Since you're trying to use "perfect" form with your fretting hand, you might be fretting either too lightly or too far behind the fret. (This is the opposite of the usual problem, where people fret way too hard and bend notes sharp or mark up the fretboard.)

In order to get that "growl", you have to fret hard enough, and close enough to the fret, that the string stays put when you play hard. Otherwise, instead of getting that nice growl and clank, the note just buzzes and goes dead. (It's a tricky balance: hard enough to hold the note, not hard enough to pull it sharp.)

Also, you might try lighter strings. The lighter the strings are, the less hard you have to work to get that "playing hard" tone. I used to use heavy gauge strings and those huge tortilla-chip picks. I sounded monstrous, but my hands tired quickly. Balanced tension sets also help.

EXL220BT Nickel Wound | Bass Guitar Strings | D'Addario
SETS - BALANCED NICKELS
 
This is absolutely my last post of the night and I'm going to end this thread too with just a few blurbs out of my mouth..

My dead father said to me many many many many years ago..

NEVER GIVE UP !!!

The second you do that... You failed in life


It's just my opinion I'm sorry if the truth hurts I'll post a picture of my dad in one second
 
Sorry if I skipped over this somewhere in the thread, but have you tried playing with different string gauges and tensions?

I went from .045-.105 rounds to .045-.100 flats and after an initial period of adjusting to the sound of the flats, I started getting the idea that my low notes sounded better and crisper. “Crisper” seemed kind of counterintuitive based on what I’d real about flats, which left me wondering in the slightly lower tension of the .100 E string allowed a different sort of “snap” off of the fingertip. Seems like even though the flats have less top and boing and clank, the beginnings of notes are easier to shape, including crisply.

Maybe it’s something that developed just from additional playing time, but I kinda think the string gauge shift helped me a little. Happily, it didn’t seem to make the lows more wimpy at all.

I had a very similar finding. I've tried several different string types, brands, and gauges. What I found in my church days was that my Labella dtfs would actually make my notes much more discernible when the whole band was playing, despite common intuition. I think it was because I wasn't getting any high mids or treble out of rounds anyway, and the labellas gave my notes a focused "thump" quality. But of course this wasn't "heavy" music. Acoustic guitar, piano, drums, choir, sometimes lead electric guitar, sometimes violin, etc.
 
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ONLY YOU can know if it's time to cut your losses and walk away, no matter what you tell us.

I've been playing since the late 70's and I can tell you that for some of us (me . . . . . ) chasing tone is an endless exercise, and I've been at this a long time. Plus all of this is totally aggravated by the physics involved when producing bass frequencies: Reflections, comb filtering, standing waves, and all manner of acoustic anomalies provoked by pushing fundamental waveforms measured in tens of feet in any number of any sized rooms, theaters, churches, etc., this is crazy stuff that has driven me nuts more than once.

I'll also add this from my experiences: I too have heard lots of guys playing fingerstyle that sounded really hard and bright, and like yourself, I'm NOT one of them. I was dumbstruck to find Geddy was NOT using a pick, I could never get that tone with my fingers. Then . . . . . .

I read an interview with Bob Taylor (you know, THAT Bob Taylor that makes all those terrific acoustic guitars . . . ) and a research project he undertook. He assembled all the different bracing patterns, body shapes/designs, and all the possible woods in various combinations to once and for all find out how to make their recipes: What woods, what shape, what bracing pattern to make a given sounding guitar. At the end of this laborious exercise, he'd figured out all the things to drive his production guitar designs forward, except their was ONE THING that was a completely random factor he would have NO control over: The tone produced by this or that guy fingerpicking.

He discovered that in guitar players' anatomy that some guys had fatter fingers and some guys had bonier fingers and this ranged tone-wise from the same guitar sounding a lot tamer with the guy who had 'fatter' fingers to the thing just ringing out from the guy who had 'bonier' fingers.


Sound familiar?

He had no trouble accounting for pick players, as regardless of a thick, thin, whatever kind of pick, the range of tones was similar and over a far more narrow range.

When I started out I used a pick as my right-hand fingers couldn't keep up with my left-hand fingers on the fingerboard. Then I graduated to playing the slow, pretty stuff with my fingers, and saving the pick for the fast stuff where I needed that edge on the tone.

I can appreciate how you feel, but I can assure you most of us have been through the very same set of mental challenges. But only you can know where to go from here.
 
Good question. So if we were to call the three joints in your finger the knuckle joint, middle joint, and fingertip joint, his criticism of my technique was that my fingertip joint wasn't bending much, if at all. This made him conject that I was using just the muscles in my fingers to sort of "hook" the strings rather than the muscles in the forearm. There was a certain amount of truth to that, and in the following months I worked at engaging those larger muscles. I feel like it's given me more power, but the resulting sound is more or less the same. I was also never able to solve the fingertip joint thing. When I looked at the other guy's hand when he played, I noticed that his fingertip would actually bend backwards slightly at the fingertip joint from the string pressure, which may lead to more springyness. I found that my fingers are physically incapable of doing that. Even if I grab my fingertip with the other hand and pull backwards, my fingertip cannot bend backwards at the last joint. And with regards to forward bend during the stroke, that doesn't seem to happen for me, even if I tell my finger to be totally limp. At the end of the rest stroke, when my fingertip is against the next string, my middle joint is belt while my fingertip joint is straight. Must be a joints thing.

I really sounds to me like you just have the lightest touch in the world, and are not hitting the strings correctly. Standard plucking is that you grab the strings with the meat of your fingertips, and let your fingertip sort of "slide" off the side of the string closest to you, and let it come to rest on the next lowest string.

You shouldn't need much in the way of forearm muscles. Pretty much everything in standard finger plucking is in the hand. I play hard as hell, and while the forearm muscles do get some incidental use, all the real power is in the hand. My forearm mainly just rests on the waist or upper horn of the bass.

You should post a video of yourself playing with your right hand fingers, with your right hand fingers visible and in focus.

Have you done the most basic thing, and bought a Mel Bay book for electric bass?

And, also, I have the state the obvious...but have you tried cranking the hell out of your amps?
 
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I’ll encourage you to continue with these conditions:
1. Find a good teacher/coach who will evaluate what you are doing.
2. Communicate in detail with that teacher. Show him what you’ve posted here, get his take on it and fill in all details that are more easily shown or spoken than written.

When you sit down with the teacher the first time, “audition” for him! Play a bit of something that you play well and something you don’t. If the teacher is good he/she will immediately see resolvable troubles in your playing. Above all, communication only happens when it’s two-way. Be ready to commit to do something (exercises or etudes or posture or position, et al.) he tells you that you don’t understand.

If the conditions I listed are not doable for you then going on to other pursuits is the right call.
 
I really sounds to me like you just have the lightest touch in the world, and are not hitting the strings correctly. Standard plucking is that you grab the strings with the meat of your fingertips, and let your fingertip sort of "slide" off the side of the string closest to you, and let it come to rest on the next lowest string.

You shouldn't need much in the way of forearm muscles. Pretty much everything in standard finger plucking is in the hand. I play hard as hell, and while the forearm muscles do get some incidental use, all the real power is in the hand. My forearm mainly just rests on the waist or upper horn of the bass.

You should post a video of yourself playing with your right hand fingers, with your right hand fingers visible and in focus.

Have you done the most basic thing, and bought a Mel Bay book for electric bass?

And, also, I have the state the obvious...but have you tried cranking the hell out of your amps?

Sounds like I may not have explained it well. What you describe as standard plucking is what I'm doing.
 
I say if you enjoy it and playing with fingers feels like an extension of you, keep at it. One of the most important lessons I’ve learned is if it brings you joy that’s all that matters
Also, I’ve been playing bass for 16 years at this point, wow… where has the time gone??? and I feel as though over the past 5 years I’ve made leaps and bounds of progress. My playing at 12 years and my playing now is night and day.
 
String type, EQ settings, type of amp and speaker, etc. If you don't have the type of tone that helps you hear clearly, you tend to overplay, which is taxing on the muscles. I use old round wound strings, but I adjust the amp to be pretty darn bright so I can hear the attack and overtones. I notice that when the strings are fresh that I don't need to crank up the mids and highs as much. My tone is actually still pretty smooth as I don't normal produce much gank.
Yep. On the money @Wasnex.

When my tone sucks, I first change my physical approach as you did, @MisterStompy . Next step I go for is amp settings, then strings. Have you changed lately?
 
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Sounds like I may not have explained it well. What you describe as standard plucking is what I'm doing.

If your finger is hooking, then no, it isn’t standard plucking. How can a finger do what I described, if it is held in the shape of a hook? What I am describing is kind of like a baseball card in a bicycle wheel.

Post that video. The quality of the responses you will get will improve 100 fold. Trying to tell somebody what they are doing wrong, based on their own description, is pretty much an exercise in futility.
 
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If your finger is hooking, then no, it isn’t standard plucking. How can a finger do what I described, if it is held in the shape of a hook? What I am describing is kind of like a baseball card in a bicycle wheel.

Post that video. The quality of the responses you will get will improve 100 fold. Trying to tell somebody what they are doing wrong, based on their own description, is pretty much an exercise in futility.

"Hooking" was definitely the wrong word for me to use, retrospectively.