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Double Bass Beginner extremely frustrated

Why the hell didn't I try to play the piano? :)

Hey all, this is my first post here, I hope I'm not doing anything wrong.
I've been trying to learn the double bass for the last 3 weeks. I started with a professor, he seems nice, but I can't tell if he is a good teacher or not, because I don't know anything about this instrument, and whatever he says feels right.

We are using the Simandl and I am struggling hard with the half position. I am practicing with a tuner, and there is simply no way to play correct notes with the fingering Simandl suggests. If the first finger is on the right place (let's say on G#), I can also play the second in the right place, but as soon as I go to the fourth (Bb), the first leaves the position and if I try to play it, it is completely out of tune. It doesn't matter how much effort I make, the finger will not stay in place. I have been practicing at least two blocks of 30 minutes per day, but I don't see any advance. I think my hands are just too small.
I am trying to learn this thing right, and last class my professor taught me the F scale. But I had to ask to cancel this week's lesson because if I am still struggling to play simple notes, what is the point of starting to learn a scale? My professor has a masters in music, and seems to know what he is doing, but he is damn giant, much taller and with much bigger hands than I. I am 5'7, by the way.

I understand that learning takes time, and I don't expect to be good in three weeks, but not being able to move from notes in the same position in the same string is making me very frustrated. I got to the point that I look at the bass and feel angry about it. I mean, the bow is a nightmare, as it is supposed to be for a beginner, but at least I feel that sometimes I get it right, and it is just a matter of practicing until I will get the hang of it. But the fingering is never right. My hands hurt for trying to extend the fingers, and yet no good results.
Do I really have to stick with this "to each note its finger (1-2-4)", or should I give up and start learning how much I need to move my fingers when I come from a Bb to a G#?

Thanks
 
I suspect this is a stance problem rather than a hand size on.
Try to set up like this and try again...

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Welcome to TB.

a) Don't get frustrated. Three weeks is a nanosecond. I've been playing for three years and still need to work on fundamentals every day. That never stops. Think about the long game instead. The upright bass is not about instant gratification, ever.

b) Have your teacher re-examine your stance / posture / hand position in person. Maybe there's something super minor he can adjust that will help.

c) Trust your teacher, but trust your body more. If he's suggesting something that causes tension or pain, listen to your body and back off. Tension (anywhere in your body) is the enemy. Klinghoffer says "playing the bass should be easy, or impossible," meaning... discover how to play in a relaxed manner.

FWIW, while I *can* hold down all fingers when playing Bb in half position, I never do. It causes way too much tension in the left hand. I lift up my first finger just a tiny bit (to release it's lock on the Ab) before fingering the Bb. Fingers 2, 3 and 4 are firmly down, but finger 1 hovers above the string.

I'm not 100% comfortable (tension-free) holding down all three fingers until 1.5 position (Bb,B,C). I'm 5'11".

Trust your teacher for guidance, but trust your body more.
 
Thanks a lot for your answers.
I still can't make sense on how to play without tension while playing the right notes. Maybe I will just play the notes out of tune and give it more time until they get on tune.
 
Don't cancel a lesson just because things aren't where you want them to be or you feel frustrated. Part of a teachers job is to help you figure out how to get through various hurdles. I would much rather have a student come to a lesson and tell me that they've been struggling with something than to have them cancel a lesson because they are struggling.

Don't worry too much about playing those first Simandl exercises perfectly. Those exercises are difficult to hear well. Scales are much more interesting and helpful than chromatic exercises. You'll come back to these positions constantly so don't stress about it too much.

Good luck and have fun.
 
I agree with what's being said... Tell your teacher about your feelings. That's what a good teacher will do, is encourage, support and listen.
You're being so hard on yourself, but in the eyes of someone objective and experienced, you may be either a.) Where you're supposed to be in your development or b.) ahead of the game.

You are honestly not in a position to decide that... and you're too close to the situation to be objective. Which is completely understandable really.

Hang in there...
 
I'd give my right arm to be 5'7"! I've been playing since 1972 and I still struggle with issues like yours. My right fingers feel like rocks and arco is getting more difficult. As others have rightfully said, three weeks is nothing when you are learning a disapline like DB.
Kudos to you for starting with a teacher and learning things the right way. Keep everything in perspective and you'll be fine.
 
I also started string bass in 1972 (after playing bass guitar for about 3 years), and I sounded like a dying elephant on the double bass for at least the next 3 years (maybe more).
My teacher had me bowing 2 notes, an open G to the G an octave above for weeks, until it sounded smooth.
I then auditioned for the university symphony and got 5th chair out of 7, the 1st chair was a women a head shorter than me just out of HS, whose hands were half my size, man was I jealous, I was in my 20s.
I believe the string bass is the worlds most challenging instrument to get a tolerable sound out of.
So I agree with the above poster, that said your 1st 3 weeks is but a nanosecond.
 
So I agree with the above poster, that said your 1st 3 weeks is but a nanosecond.
Yeah.
And having a frustrated student who _did the work_ is one of the best times for a teacher , now you can learn - I bet you'll find you have a great next lesson , and your hands will get what they are trying to explain.
And if you are thinking you are not big enough you can always look to Jane Little , all of 4'11", played in the Atlanta Symphony for a world-record 71 years, until she died on stage at age 87 ( ok she collapsed but died later that day).
Wikipedia:Jane Little (musician) - Wikipedia
And if you want a little more inspiration, search the TB threads on her passing two years ago, there are some great stories about her.
 
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We are using the Simandl and I am struggling hard with the half position. I am practicing with a tuner, and there is simply no way to play correct notes with the fingering Simandl suggests. If the first finger is on the right place (let's say on G#), I can also play the second in the right place, but as soon as I go to the fourth (Bb), the first leaves the position and if I try to play it, it is completely out of tune. It

The Dirty Little Secret that is not mentioned in the Simandl Book is that it is pointless (and often dangerous) to (try and) keep ALL 3 Notes (in Half-Position) held in place by the left hand.
Any "2" notes IN TUNE/IN HALF POSITION should be the goal - trying to maintain that rigid, locked left-hand shape (with all 4 fingers DOWN!) is impossible for most mortals. It can also cause an unnecessary amount of tension to be exerted, AND, cause the left-hand to contort into an unnatural, uncomfortable, unsustainable shape.
I would hope your current teacher is enlightened and accomplished enough to recognize this in general and, in your case, specifically.
IMFO.
Thank You.
 
Maybe I will just play the notes out of tune and give it more time until they get on tune.

Intonation is not optional. Learn to play in tune with the technique you have. Generally speaking, form follows function in bass technique: the more efficient you need to be, the better your technique will get as (if) you figure things out. I can point to any number of pretty good bassists with what I would call inefficient or sloppy technique who play in tune just fine. The fact that you can hear the difference puts you way ahead of many beginners.
 
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