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Behringer Bass V-AMP Pro - Part II: Get On Back, Jack, Do It Again...

I was screwing around with the V amp a bit, and along the way I made some samples: Samples v amp by Haico van Oosten on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Clean (amp simulation bypassed)
CharlieC SVT preset + hidden Rat Simulation (DIRT!)
CharlieC SVT preset

You think I could get a bit more gain out of the gain preset?

ps. The bass is a Fender Jazz Marcus Miller signature.

Great tracks and the bass riff is very catchy

You've got some good growl going on here and who wouldn't like that SVT tone?

Although I'm not a fan of the RAT when used on bass, you did well with it in this context

Cheers!
 
Hey thanks!

I just found out it was on S3 mode. So, if I'm right, the digital cab sim was turned off but the ultra-G was engaged. Right? I think I should have used S1. :rollno:

Provided that you recorded from the XLR outs then ULTRA-G was in effect while in S3 mode, else it would not have been if the 1/4" outs were used

The results you achieved were excellent. Obsess and try again only if you must, LOL!
 
I disappeared from this thread when I sold my V-Amp a while back.

Really kicked myself in the ass for that. I Finally got around to getting another one.

Damned nice little unit. I learned "the dumb way" that I really think a lot of this thing and missed it.

I took a quick visit over to MF's site today and was pleasantly surprised to see it is still featured as a "Best Seller" with a near 5-star customer rating, and 64 great user reviews
 
I disappeared from this thread when I sold my V-Amp a while back.

Really kicked myself in the ass for that. I Finally got around to getting another one.

Damned nice little unit. I learned "the dumb way" that I really think a lot of this thing and missed it.

Welcome back, ChrisAlan!

We've a Member # for you in the V-AMP Squad when you feel you've fully atoned for your past action, LOL

Cheers!
 
Hey people…

First off, my compliments to CharlieC for doing an excellent job here. Charlie has done a heroic job of giving visibility to this interesting device. Charlie, if Behringer hasn’t hired you, they should. At the very least, they should send you a truck load of stuff. Maybe you should propose to them that they hire you as a manual writer and support person.

I don’t have one of these things, and I know little about it beyond what I have read here. I have not decided whether or not to buy one. I am looking at economical preamps and, before reading this thread, the Bass V-Amp was not on my radar. Thanks to this thread (Parts I and II), it is on my radar now.

Regarding the problem Behringer faces re: its reputation as cheap junk, I came across a very different opinion from somebody who knows a lot more about this kind of stuff than I do. Here’s how I came across it...

I was (and still am) considering getting an ART Pro Channel. (Am on the fence about that device vs. this one.) I was googling around about that one and came across a poster on another site who had very good things to say about an audio device tweaker who seems to have a small-ish but rabid and loyal following. The poster said that Tweaker-Guy had taken the poster’s excellent ART Pro Channel and turned it onto a very remarkable Pro Channel. This led me to browse around Tweaker-Guy’s web site, reading up on what he has to say about the ART Pro Channel, what he does to them, etc. (All of which seems great and worth doing, but left me unsure about the dual cost of the Pro Channel and the tweak. This is only because I am recently broke. Just a few years ago, I would have done it without thinking twice.)

Anyway, on Tweaker-Guy’s web site, he has a longish comment about Behringer in general, and a shorter comment about the Bass V-Amp in particular. I thought you might be interested in these comments.

About Behringer in general (on the “Educational” page at Audioproz.com)
Vince Naeve at AudioProz.com said:
In Defense of Behringer

Popular opinion, especially online, seems to think that Behringer is just a copycat company making cheaper versions of other companies' products. But Behringer is actually one of the few companies that really design their products instead of simply re-branding and marketing what already exists. They make devices that are inexpensive but not cheap and support their products very well.

The lawsuits filed against Behringer for supposed “copying” of other manufacturers’ devices are frivolous. Boss sued for copying the shape and color or a guitar stomp box, not for the design content. Behringer’s product was far superior and used modern DSP technology which Boss had not even achieved yet. Mackie also sued over the shape and color of a product. Meanwhile, many Mackie products are sold at twice the retail price of Behringer products and claim to be American made, yet are marked as originating in China. So who’s really fooling whom? Both attempts at litigation were really about holding up Behringer product releases while the existing stock of Boss and Mackie products could be sold off.

Behringer products use the same type and quality of controls, switches and IC chips as most other companies. The product is not “cheap” but inexpensive, with worldwide demand by consumers who compare the functionality and value of available products. South America and Europe are big markets these products, as many big names are expensive here but seldom marketed internationally. In fact, many big name American companies pay the original manufacturers in China and Japan for exclusive rights to market a certain product in the US. When that legal agreement runs out in one to three years, then other lesser names market that exact same product in a different package. Most companies design packages and colors, not content. Audio Technica makes products for over twenty name brands in the USA and maintain a staff of engineers here in America. Audio Technica was also disparaged much the same as Behringer, but they are the true originators of the products and time is proving out the truth.

It’s well known that the audio industry uses bloggers to distort facts and create myths to help maintain high profit margins in certain product lines. The irony is that companies like Behringer, ART, Audio Technica, Zoom, Yorkville, and some others are the true design originators with ISO 9000 standard factories, owned and operated by Americans, Germans, and Canadians. The BS that exists in this industry is intentionally created to confuse artists and musicians while mega corporations and chain marketers collude to create artificial price values. Trust me, in my forty years in this industry I have seen so many Chinese made products retailing under big brand names for three times the retail value. So again, who is scamming whom?

Consider that Mackie is really part of LOUD Technologies, a mega monster corporation that owns about fifty name brands in America! This company actually bankrupted a prestigious, forty year old speaker company in Italy by not paying for their products. This and other truths are suppressed in an industry where mega stores protect their high profit margin product lines.

Ultimately, big chain stores will not recommend low priced, low profit margin equipment, no matter how good it is. But as a small business owner, musician, and artist, I can recommend cool devices that allow real creativity and are value oriented. The well known name brands carry no extra weight with me unless their product or service is something special. The truth is most companies have no parts, information, or servicing available for their products, but ART, Apex, Behringer, and AT can all supply parts and manuals. It will surprise you which companies are really concerned about their customers. Usually they are not the big name, CEO-driven companies, who ride on their name appeal to generate value and profit. By the way, check out who Uli Behringer is and what he does for the music industry. It is quite enlightening!

And here is what he said about the Bass V-Amp…
Vince Naeve at AudioProz.com said:
(emphasis below added by rshack}

People tend to hate me when I tell them this, but really now, Behringer & Zoom (among a few others) are actually the leaders of guitar effect processing technology. I like TC electronic (which is actually I.V.L. Designs) and I can always order their stuff in for customers (TC G-Major/Minor), but nearly equivalent product can be had with the Behringer V-amp bass modeler for about $200. You will be amazed. I’m in the position where I could choose almost any maker of guitar processors, and I’ve chosen to go with Behringer. I have about 40 of their stomp boxes including the Echo Machine, Ultra Pitch Shifter, Bass Flanger; with the pedals now so inexpensive, it’s embarrassing how these pedals are so far above the crowd...
Anyway, sorry for the humongous post but I thought you guys would want to read what he has to say...
 
First off, my compliments to CharlieC for doing an excellent job here. Charlie has done a heroic job of giving visibility to this interesting device. Charlie, if Behringer hasn’t hired you, they should. At the very least, they should send you a truck load of stuff. Maybe you should propose to them that they hire you as a manual writer and support person.

Great post and thanks, rshack!

Come back and hang-out with us on this thread anytime.

Psst... listen to us and Tweaker-Guy and at least "borrow" a V-AMP from a retailer, free of charge for 45-days. If you find it hard to send back, well, we have a Member # in the V-AMP Squad here for you.

Cheers!
 
I've had the V Amp Pro and the FCB1010 for a couple of years and never put it to much use. I'm planning on hooking it back up and using it at my next gig. I just seen the VamProm online and I'm liking the features because that's what I've been trying to do with the V Amp. For $25 bucks, it's a hell of a deal. I'm growing tired of my Tech 21 Sans Amp and slew of other pedals I'm using.

Also, are the effects customizable on the FX setting of the VampProm?
 
Are you guys talking about the one that's table top model? Like a bass pod? Only interested because I love line6 products and wonder how this compares?

I started the first part of this thread talking about the rack-mount Pro model, but much if it is also applicable to the tabletop model.

In fact, somewhere in the middle of the first part of this thread, I actually go into details regarding comparison to similar Line 6 products (that I also own.)

Have a look, but no doubt, you'll have a very long, interesting read

Cheers!
 
Charlie, how is the noise level on the V-AMP + Crown XLS combination?

I want to try out the V-AMP + a power amp, either the XLS or a GX3, with a cab, but I don't want it to produce any buzz or hiss (even in a quiet room).

The Crown XLS itself is dead quiet, both in fan operating noise and in its very pristine signal treatment.

The V-AMP produces no more preamp noise than any other preamp I have encountered. I have never found it to be intolerable, even in a dead quiet room, but if it were, then I would simply use the V-AMP's built-in noise gate and that would kill 100% of any noise normally heard otherwise.