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Behringer Effects

#22
Why abuse your tone with the cheapest stuff you can find and then try and rationalize it later.
Cheap amps I can see, cheap basses even.
With behringer as with all things audio, just because it passes audio and doesnt take a flying jump out of the nearest window when you plug it in does not mean its great or even good. It is merely sufficient. It fills the role of a stompbox until a real one shows up.
Honestly stompboxes are the last place you should cut corners. A marginal stompbox will deliver it's marginal signal to every pedal after it, then to your amp, and folks ears.
Poorly shielded effects (and most cheap boxes with plastic chassis are poorly shielded) are a bad idea. This allows noise to get at your tone. In your practice space you may have great power, but many stages I have been on do not!
Besides pedals are one of the cheapest things where a small amount of money makes a big difference. If you spent $100 on your fuzz/phaser/envelope instead of $30 you will hear a world of difference. If you want cheap pedals that rock get an EHX! this is a great time for pedals too! Even boutique pedals hover around $150 or so. Not a lot compared to what a 4x10 costs!
 
#23
I've struck out 3 out of 3 times with behringer

-Echo Machine (echo park clone)
DOA... partly my fault for buying used on ebay although the seller said it worked and must have gotten damaged in shipping. Either way, I'm pretty sure I could toss my Echo Park down a flight or two and it would fire up fine.

-TU200 ( Boss TU2 Tuner clone)
this pedal would not calibrate to the proper pitches across all 6 strings on bass or guitar. It failed fundamentally an epicly for a tuner.

-Reverb Machine (verbzilla clone)
worked ok but sucked so much low end that it was unusable when engaged. Awefull pedal.

I just can't do it again! I cant see regarding something as having real value if you have to keep your fingers crossed that it works out of the box.
 
#24
Calaverasgrande said:
Why abuse your tone with the cheapest stuff you can find and then try and rationalize it later.
Cheap amps I can see, cheap basses even.
With behringer as with all things audio, just because it passes audio and doesnt take a flying jump out of the nearest window when you plug it in does not mean its great or even good. It is merely sufficient. It fills the role of a stompbox until a real one shows up.
Honestly stompboxes are the last place you should cut corners. A marginal stompbox will deliver it's marginal signal to every pedal after it, then to your amp, and folks ears.
Poorly shielded effects (and most cheap boxes with plastic chassis are poorly shielded) are a bad idea. This allows noise to get at your tone. In your practice space you may have great power, but many stages I have been on do not!
Besides pedals are one of the cheapest things where a small amount of money makes a big difference. If you spent $100 on your fuzz/phaser/envelope instead of $30 you will hear a world of difference. If you want cheap pedals that rock get an EHX! this is a great time for pedals too! Even boutique pedals hover around $150 or so. Not a lot compared to what a 4x10 costs!
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Although I understand your point, there are specific reasons why I have two Behringer pedals on my board. First of all, the CC-300 is a copy of the old Boss DC-2, which is extremely rare, and when they do pop up, its usually for around $250. Which is absurd for a 30 year old Boss pedal. And the BSY sounds better (to my ears) than the Boss SYB. And no other pedal under $300 does the synth tones it does. So now we're talking about dropping around $600 to replace $40 worth of Behringer pedals that, quite frankly, do the job very well already. No thanks.
 
#25
Gio S said:
I am an audio engineer. We have analyzed a lot of Behringer gear. In general the products (all ) are based on other successful designs, and then cost reduced to the point of nearly not working.

The rack gear can be a good value (EQ, crossover, etc.) the rest is a gamble. Power amps of all kinds are to be avoided.
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Guess you've never opened a europower 2500 and a qsc rmx2450 on the same bench ;)
 
#28
btw everything I said about behringer, ditto for Dano pedals.
They look cool and sometimes sound cool but are unreliable and noisy.
I'll take unreliable for great tone (old EHX) or kinda good tone but rock solid (Digitech), but not mediocre and un-giggable. I guess thats what it boils down to.
In a perfect world gear is gently placed on stage and carefully taken off the stage. In real life people trip over your stuff, other bands accidentally drop stuff on top of yours etc. Thats why I use bulletproof everything. Rat box or Fuzz war for OD. Moogerfooger lowpass for filter, DOD & Digitech for chorus/flange.
 
#30
my experiences with Behringer were very bad. I have worked in a Shop and the Amps and Boxes were crafted ver, very bad. Not working Amps every tenth, doxes nearly the same. The 19" Rackparts work mostly propper, but they are not repairable, cause you will not find spareparts, like Jacks and so on.

Greets - masterbass54
 
#33
I have the VP1 phaser, the UP100 phaser, the PB100 gain/EQ, the ADI21 EQ/Preamp/DI, and the HF300 flanger. I got into effects pedals about 2 years ago, and I originally bought Behringers because they're cheap and I've read some good (sometimes great) reviews about the ones I was interested in. I'm purely a home studio guy, so I can't comment on the build quality, durability, etc. However, the sound quality of all of these pedals is excellent for my uses. The VP1 has warm, deep 4-stage phase tones. Also, I accidently discovered that when I put the Tone switch in the middle, I get a phase tone that's right between the subtler down position and the deeper up position. Nice! The UP100 is not nearly as deep, but it blends in with my keyboard's tone better than any phaser I've tried. It's not weak or just along for the ride; it really becomes a part of the tone. The PB100 is the perfect basic boost/EQ pedal. Nothing fancy; it just does the job. I got the ADI21 out of curiosity, wondering what it might do to warm up certain tones. What I wasn't expecting was the strong, growly overdrive and the killer stuck wah sounds I got from this baby. It also has some deep sub tones in it. The Mid Freq and Blend knobs are the difference. The HF300 does what I want a flanger to do: add a nice texture to my tone. I'm not looking for "jet-plane swoosh," although it might be able to do that. It also does a sweet chorus which can be quite vowelly if you want.

I understand why some people have ethical issues with Behringer's rep as a pedal clone factory, and many are concerned about durability, but for my home studio uses, Behringer hits the spot.
 
#34
Calaverasgrande said:
Why abuse your tone with the cheapest stuff you can find and then try and rationalize it later.
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Why abuse your Mastercard with the most expensive stuff you can find and then try to rationalize it later?

Believe me, there is no (0) justification for the prices of most expensive analog effects.

Not especially defending Behringer here, but in terms of what's on the PCBs, most higher-end effects are ridiculously overpriced.
 
#35
QUOTE=Bongolation;9000425]Why abuse your Mastercard with the most expensive stuff you can find and then try to rationalize it later?
... most higher-end effects are ridiculously overpriced.[/QUOTE]
I will agree that some boutique brands are crazy overpriced. But EHX stuff is affordable and kickass. Moog stuff costs a lot but you get what you pay for, CV control, wide range of input levels and moog tone!
 
#36
Calaverasgrande said:
btw everything I said about behringer, ditto for Dano pedals.
They look cool and sometimes sound cool but are unreliable and noisy.
I'll take unreliable for great tone (old EHX) or kinda good tone but rock solid (Digitech), but not mediocre and un-giggable. I guess thats what it boils down to.
In a perfect world gear is gently placed on stage and carefully taken off the stage. In real life people trip over your stuff, other bands accidentally drop stuff on top of yours etc. Thats why I use bulletproof everything. Rat box or Fuzz war for OD. Moogerfooger lowpass for filter, DOD & Digitech for chorus/flange.
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3 pedals I've owned/own...none were noisy, none were unreliable...all sounded good...

nothing "mediochre" and "ungiggable" about any of it....but If you want to bost your pricey pedals, do so...but not on a behringer thread, ok?

cheers
 
#38
i have a Behringer PMP3000 powered desk which has served very well for the last 2 years, until...... the other week, doing an almost freebee gig (for friends), when the amp inside the Behringer popped itself and destroyed all my speakers. No DC protection of any sort, and the internal fuses didn't work either :-/
 
#39
PilbaraBass said:
3 pedals I've owned/own...none were noisy, none were unreliable...all sounded good...

nothing "mediochre" and "ungiggable" about any of it....but If you want to bost your pricey pedals, do so...but not on a behringer thread, ok?

cheers
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BTW I wasnt talking about Fulltone, DBA or Devi Ever pedals. Just garden variety affordable pedals any music store carries.
Electro-Harmonix, Proco and DOD are not pricey pedals. Behringer (and Dano) are garbage cheap. If all you ever buy are dirt cheap pedals for $30 than I guess a $60 or $90 pedal might seem like a lot. But you know, I have an EHX pedal thats 25 years in my gig bag. I got a proco thats been with me almost as long.
Again, I can see why folks would buy a cheap bass or a cheap amp. The really good ones cost well over a grand brand new!
But there are many many great pedals made in the USA that cost less than $100. Even $150 for a boutique pedal is not crazy loot. I have tried behringer pedals and found them to be mediocre. I have used other behringer gear professionally and found it to be unreliable as hell. If you care so little about your tone, please go ahead and save $30. Heck get the cheapest strings, cheapest strap, cheapest everything. Its all good enough right!

It's one of the hardest lessons to learn in bass. Cheaping out on your gear ends up costing more in the long run.
 
#40
I tried a behringer compressor pedal. It worked but the tone sucked.

I have a small Behringer combo practice amp. It works good and sounds good for home use. It would never work in a band situation, not enough power, but for home it is fine.
 

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