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Behringer.......

Looks like its tea time @ the knitting circle & all the ladies are all up in a tizzie...

Deal with it folks... They're not going away, unless QSC's legal department gets a handle on this situation...

Frankly, like 'em or hate'em... If they're techno-devils, or econo-saints,,, I DON'T CARE! I'm getting REALLY SICK of this crap...
 
You guys are all a bunch of babies. This thread started off as a question about HEalth the Greats potentially using this amp with the rest of his gear. IT WAS NOT HEY GUYS LETS COMPARE BEHRINGERS ETHICS IN CONDUCTING BUSINESS.

QSC dude, I understand you work for the company but get a grip. You are actually making your own company look bad by making yourself look like an A$$.

Bash Behringer in a different forum.

Health The Great using the amp with your set up will work out just fine.
 
McHack said:
Looks like its tea time @ the knitting circle & all the ladies are all up in a tizzie...

Deal with it folks... They're not going away, unless QSC's legal department gets a handle on this situation...

Frankly, like 'em or hate'em... If they're techno-devils, or econo-saints,,, I DON'T CARE! I'm getting REALLY SICK of this crap...


I just wonder what bob is trying to achieve with all this negativity. I do know that he has lost a customer for QSC.
 
look...please get off this i was only asking about the reliability of PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM AND NOT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMPANYS SAYIN THEYRE CRAP THIS IS BETTTER unless you have tested one extensively.......

and the other thing i asked is would it work if i used a peavey head with a power amp running from the line/effects send....which has been answered civily.....thank you....

so unless you have some positive reinforcement or advice...do your bitchin elsewhere please

AMEN
 
heath_the_great said:
look...please get off this i was only asking about the reliability of PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM AND NOT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMPANYS SAYIN THEYRE CRAP THIS IS BETTTER unless you have tested one extensively.......

and the other thing i asked is would it work if i used a peavey head with a power amp running from the line/effects send....which has been answered civily.....thank you....

so unless you have some positive reinforcement or advice...do your bitchin elsewhere please

AMEN

Word birds- Give the guy some help here. Get all your panties un-bunched and get back on topic. Heath- good luck to ya, sounds like you'll be fine.
 
heath_the_great said:
look...please get off this i was only asking about the reliability of PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM AND NOT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMPANYS SAYIN THEYRE CRAP THIS IS BETTTER unless you have tested one extensively.......

and the other thing i asked is would it work if i used a peavey head with a power amp running from the line/effects send....which has been answered civily.....thank you....

so unless you have some positive reinforcement or advice...do your bitchin elsewhere please

AMEN

Not that you would EVER do anything to stir the pot...would you?

Speaking of, what happened to that line in your signature?




PS. You forgot to mention your Kubicki. Just trying to be helpful.
 
and another reason im thinking of going behringer is because i am only young and earn a small amount of money...so if behringer are making something simular to qsc and providing it at a cheaper cost then good for me...once i start earning more money then i can blow it on deerer stuff, but until then looks like behringer...im only 17...ive got my whole life ahead of me to collect good gear....i just bought a kubucki ex-factor...its really the first decent thing ive bought, gone from ashton to ibanez (atk) and onto the kubicki...and ive got a ****ty old laney 15" which is badly creased and a peavey mark3 head which i bought for $150(aus)....and i plan on getting an acme cabinet with the behringer power amp and for a few years ill be using the peavey as a preamp until i can get the alembic or whatever preamp then upgrade my power amp to yamaha or mackie or something......but until then from my experience with behringer they can provide the low income musician with some quality gear......just because i might want alembic and carl thompson basses and play through 2 mesa boogie powerhouse 1000's with 2 bass 400+'s doesn't mean that i have to jump into it straight away......
 
Bob...you have earned a customer here. When I need to buy a poweramp, I guarantee it will be a QSC. Behringer's business practices suck, the stuff is cheaply put together, and thats my opinion. You kiddies don't like my opinion, then flame on.
 
look golden boy, im sick of having threaaads asking for advice that end up coming back on me, i have mentioned my kubicki and if you didn't see it kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki kubicki ....im not saying i dont stir the pot, but im trying to be a better person :p ....but really, i was asking about reliabilty on the behringer powerampps and someone comes in here preachin about the ethcics of buying behringer (which i have no idea what these ethics are about0 and that they stole from qsc and that i should really spend 6 times more money for something the same................oh well....last time i ask for advice
 
miccheck1516 said:
You said it, and if QSC are not prepared to fill the gap in the low cost alternative market then why shouldn't behringer?

So it's ok to steal other people's designs if you use cheaper components and poor workmanship?


On topic:
Heath_the_great:

I don't have direct experience with the Behringer power amps but have extensive experience with their mixers, DIs, compressors. The reliabilty, in my experience, has been generally poor and support is spotty at best. I don't see why the power amps should be any different.
 
ive missed something here, can someone please tell me about this whole ethic system about buying behringer, if its just about them using someone elses design then big whoop, everyone has used something of someone else's before, look at hip hop artists, i doubt that 10% of thier stuff is origional, they all use stuff from george clinton, parliament, bootsy, led zeppelin and so forth....look at sadowsky, they use the fender jazz shape, lakland do the same but just change a few cosmetic details....whats the diff?
 
thank you mark......i hard done a bit of research (of course) and ive found many different reviews...some people have prasied them and said that they are more reliable than anything they've used and people have said that they're pretty poor.....but i found the same thing when doing research on hartke cabs and amps, same with some ampeg and fender gear...but i spose it would come down to how its treated and the area like humidity and weather and stuff wouldn't it?
 
heath_the_great said:
ive missed something here, can someone please tell me about this whole ethic system about buying behringer, if its just about them using someone elses design then big whoop, everyone has used something of someone else's before, look at hip hop artists, i doubt that 10% of thier stuff is origional, they all use stuff from george clinton, parliament, bootsy, led zeppelin and so forth....look at sadowsky, they use the fender jazz shape, lakland do the same but just change a few cosmetic details....whats the diff?


And we're talking about products that are both intended to do the same thing - aren't they going to be very similar :confused: I looked at the pictures posted and they do not look "exactly the same". Sorry, I'm not seeing the carbon copy likeness.

But they're made in China. - So is Essex, but we love them:confused:

I really don't get this either.
 
I will not join the fray by telling others what they should or should not buy, but I will say that someone on this board once shed light on the subject for me when I was considering compressors. Because of that, I opted for the dbx over the Behringer and vowed not to buy Behringer again.

Again, that's MY thing and I do not seek to impose my beliefs on anyone else. I am no better or worse than anyone else for my own beliefs in this matter.
 
All artists who use samples of other artists music ask for, and pay for, permission to use it.

You know that song "Bittersweet Symphony" by the Verve? The music is pretty much 100% a sample of an old Rolling Stones song. And the Verve didn't ask permission to use it. When lawyers for the Stones contacted them, they didn't even bother going to court. They settled for giving all royalties from the song to the Stones, in exchange for not having to pay any additional damages. In other words, bottom line, the Verve has made exactly $0 from that song, and will never make a dime from it.

As far as the difference between electronics and musical instruments.........it's a matter of where the cost of production lies. In electronics, the components and the assembly of the device are a small part of the overall product. A capacitor is a capacitor, and a solder joint is a solder joint. As long as you put together the capacitors and resistors and stuff in the same order, with soldering that doesn't come apart, every item you build will function identically. The thing that makes an electronic device valuable is the design of it. Sure, poor quality components and sloppy assembly are a factor in the overall quality of the final product, but the real craftsmanship is in the original design.

With musical instruments, the basic design is already defined. A bass is going to have strings and a neck and pickups and a bridge. The craftsmanship is in the execution of the design; the choice of woods and hardware, and the precise assembly of those components. The cost of a Sadowsky is not in the wood or the pickups or any of the components, it's in having Roger Sadowsky personally select the woods and components used, and his impeccable attention to their assembly. You're not paying for 9 pounds of maple and ash; you're paying for Roger's experience and wisdom.

So really the only way one bass company can steal from another is if they were to kidnap the people building the basses and force them to work. Essex cannot build a bass to compete with Sadowsky; they's have to have Roger himself. Or they'd have to hire a highly experienced luthier, which would increase their cost, and of course the luthier is going to hand-build far fewer basses than a factory assembly line turns out, so the cost goes up even more. Pretty soon you figure out that you do pay for whatt you get, and you get what you pay for. The craftsmanship in musical instruments is mostly in the choice of components and the assembly, not in the design.

Unfortunately, this isn't the case with electronics. All you have to do is copy the design. There aren't any people hand selecting capacitors and carefully fitting their leads into a circuit board, because it doesn't make any difference. You can buy 1000 high quality resistors, and every one will be the same. You can save some money on cheaper ones, and they'll be less consistent, but they'll still be pretty close. The craftsmanship in electronics comes from the engineer that designed the device, not in it's assembly.