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Being in neutral while moveing

#121
dmusic148 said:
Not to pile on, but just fyi what would actually happen is the piston would come out of the caliper bore, taking lots of brake fluid with it. If it was a front caliper, you'd lose your front brakes entirely.
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yes but thats why the front and back brakes are not connected fluid wise. Yes there would be a very large reduction in braking power but they would still be there.

And I have seen pads that were almost worn through the metal and the caliper was not out of the bore. As in there was only about an 1/8 inch of metal between the caliper and disk so Im not certain if it would completly leave the bore if it had to go that extra 1/8 inch to get to the disk. I am not an expert on brakes however and I will concede if someone tells me this is wrong.
 
#122
graver555 said:
Yes because you have neeevvvveerrrrrrr done anything dumb before when you had to or didn't realize something would fail.

Guess you never had a string break because you didnt recognize it was ready to fail. Huh, wish I was that smart.
Or more relevant a tire blow on the highway.

Also even if a brake pad fell all the way out it would not "take the brakes with it" The caliper itself would press against the rotor. albeit it would ruin both but the car would stop and there are 2 more sets not even conectted to that caliper hydrauliclly.
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My read on this: OP is an avid gamer and expert internet talker with marginal, exaggerated real-life experience behind the wheel. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall when you get into an accident and have to explain that you were busy manually overriding your car's power systems to compensate for a bad tune-up. Unless somebody gets hurt.
 
#123
graver555 said:
I didnt know todays cars have wheel skirts, boat tails, grill dams, no spoilers, belly pans, fastback bed covers *for trucks*, hot air intakes, or any other number of just airo mods.

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Try to keep up old man.
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Oh boy.

If all that were true the EPA would have federally mandated auto manufacturers to install them on the vehicles they sell. Do you realize how stringent fuel standards are? How the government raises the bar every year?

Actually.... forget that. I have one of these to sell you.
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It'll give you 25% better gas mileage. And just for today, 'cause I like ya, I'll throw in a lightning decal that's good for 55HP!

Whippersnapper. :hiding: ;) :D
 
#124
bolophonic said:
My read on this: OP is an avid gamer and expert internet talker with marginal, exaggerated real-life experience behind the wheel. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall when you get into an accident and have to explain that you were busy manually overriding your car's power systems to compensate for a bad tune-up. Unless somebody gets hurt.
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I am neither an avid gamer (while I do appreciate a game on occasion) nor a liar. I will admit I am not the most experienced person behind the wheel as I am rather young, I am a defensive driver and do not take risks when they could hurt other people. Alone and with no one around mayby but I dont endanger others.
 
#125
Truktek2 said:
Oh boy.

If all that were true the EPA would have federally mandated auto manufacturers to install them on the vehicles they sell. Do you realize how stringent fuel standards are? How the government raises the bar every year?

Actually.... forget that. I have one of these to sell you.
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It'll give you 25% better gas mileage. And just for today, 'cause I like ya, I'll throw in a lightning decal that's good for 55HP!

Whippersnapper. :hiding: ;) :D
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Are you saying legitimate areo mods wont help fuel economy?

And sorry for the old man comment but I really hate people talking down to those younger then them like the sonny comment.
 
#127
graver555 said:
I am neither an avid gamer (while I do appreciate a game on occasion) nor a liar. I will admit I am not the most experienced person behind the wheel as I am rather young, I am a defensive driver and do not take risks when they could hurt other people. Alone and with no one around mayby but I dont endanger others.
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Then stop fiddling with all this and concentrate on driving the darn thing. Keep yourself and others on the road safe! Your inexperience with life in general makes you think that everything you do is "cool". Not.

Not replacing a rusted part that didn't come with your brake kit is a huge mistake. What if your brakes had locked up on the road?

All this shifting in and out of neutral puts stress on your 219k mile car. Old cars need gentle handling and consistency and the less you stress it, the longer it will last.

And, since you're saving so much money on gas, get your car assessed by a competent mechanic and fix the things that need fixing. :smug:

For all the other TBrs defending the OP's methods, it's fine you to do it, but for a young kid just learning how to drive in an old, poor running car, it can and will lead to a bad situation, IME,IMO.
 
#128
Truktek2 said:
Being on a pro track is one thing, zipping around town in a Saturn, doubtful. You'd be better off keeping your windows closed and a/c off.

No offense taken, I said sonny in jest.

Jest in case you wanted to waste your money on those mods. :)
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Then I need to apologize all the more for I said it in anger.

And at under highway speeds these mods wont make a large difference, but doing 55 the will. As a point heres an example that is extreme. I would never consider going anywhere near this far but who knows, mayby this is the car of tommorow. He is getting 85 mpg doing 70 so something has to be working. He is to the point where he can notice the draw his headlights have.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/aerocivic-how-drop-your-cd-0-31-0-a-290.html
 
#129
Stumbo said:
For all the other TBrs defending the OP's methods, it's fine you to do it, but for a young kid just learning how to drive in an old, poor running car, it can and will lead to a bad situation, IME,IMO.
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As I have said before, my car is not poor running, and I take offense to you saying that.

I also did not say I am learning to drive. I am not the most experienced but neither are you compared to jeff jordan. I am a competent driver.
 
#130
bolophonic said:
You guys are debating the minutiae of very hypothetical, theoretical situations in order to prove hypothetical, theoretical points when the reality is that the OP has no business attempting to "hack" his poorly maintained car. Dude wants to experiment with turning his car off while driving in order to save a nickel while admitting that he can't even get his brake pads on correctly.
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No, the OP at least in the OP says "coasting" which usually means rolling in neutral or with the clutch kicked, but with the engine on.

That is a perfectly valid thing to do and does save fuel, at least in the example of rolling down a slope. The major issue is warranty on your automatic transmission. You might forget to get a gear back in before you want propulsion again.
 
#131
graver555 said:
Oddly enough for 219k it leaks little to no oil.
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You're lucky. I had a '95 SC2 that gave me nothing but headaches from the day I bought it. I was driving 3k/month, and changed the oil and filter every month. Still, it started burning oil at 100k miles. Cracked the cylinder head at 188,000 miles and junked it!

My Saturn wasn't leaking oil, it was burning it. Shifting in and out of gear unnecessarily while moving with an automatic transmission seems like a bad idea to me. Is the gas you "might" be saving really worth possibly damaging your engine / transmission?

Driving an automatic like it's a standard also strikes me as a bad idea.
 
#132
ProgRocker said:
You're lucky. I had a '95 SC2 that gave me nothing but headaches from the day I bought it. I was driving 3k/month, and changed the oil and filter every month. Still, it started burning oil at 100k miles. Cracked the cylinder head at 188,000 miles and junked it!
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Yea fdeck said something about there being good ones and bad ones. I am a little scared that mine might be getting to the point where it burns oil as it was a bit lower then I liked by the time it needed changing
 
#133
Truktek2 said:
Oh boy.

If all that were true the EPA would have federally mandated auto manufacturers to install them on the vehicles they sell. Do you realize how stringent fuel standards are? How the government raises the bar every year?

Actually.... forget that. I have one of these to sell you.
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It'll give you 25% better gas mileage. And just for today, 'cause I like ya, I'll throw in a lightning decal that's good for 55HP!

Whippersnapper. :hiding: ;) :D
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Please........ Just stop
 
#136
carl h. said:
Yeah, I had a string break because I was too stupid to know better. An audience of 8000 was killed due to my inability to recognize the obvious.
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I would like to point out that the car still stopped just fine even after the pad slipped out. If the car wasn't acting slower then normal Im not sure it would have been noticable other then a slight wir from the pad being in constant contact from the rotor.
 
#138
Truktek2 said:
Why? Are you aware that tire pressure sensors were federally mandated (in 2007 I believe) because it was found that low tire pressure resulted in poor fuel economy?

Why wouldn't they require all these other gimmicks to be installed? Imagine the potential benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire-pressure_monitoring_system
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Some of it is balancing safety with efficiency, but when you can disregard the former entirely...
 
#140
uOpt said:
No, the OP at least in the OP says "coasting" which usually means rolling in neutral or with the clutch kicked, but with the engine on.

That is a perfectly valid thing to do and does save fuel, at least in the example of rolling down a slope. The major issue is warranty on your automatic transmission. You might forget to get a gear back in before you want propulsion again.
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If what the OP is talking about is useful and perfectly normal, then why is the warranty an issue?
 

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