Less midrange? I don't personally hear that. Maybe it's just because I've got the old HT112....plenty of midrange there. I love my Berg 112's.
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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released
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Less midrange? I don't personally hear that. Maybe it's just because I've got the old HT112....plenty of midrange there. I love my Berg 112's.
I don't mean the Berg's specifically, but just 212 vs 410 in general. FWIW, two of my favorite cabs are the Genz Neox 212 and Eden 212xlt. Neither sound boxy or lacking mids. I'd describe 212's as being less punchy myself compared to 410's...but again generally speaking. There are exceptions.
Whew... just played my 70's inspired Alleva-Coppolo LM5 J Bass through the F500/AE212 gig at home today for the first time. Oh my oh my... grindy, ganky, and FAT down low.... perfect match-up. That's what I'll be using this Saturday night. Can't wait... it sounds darn good!
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Whew... just played my 70's inspired Alleva-Coppolo LM5 J Bass through the F500/AE212 gig at home today for the first time. Oh my oh my... grindy, ganky, and FAT down low.... perfect match-up. That's what I'll be using this Saturday night. Can't wait... it sounds darn good!
Nice!!!
I would be very interested to know how they work out for you, and if you like them, could I get a pair. I have two AE212 cabs and find them fairly easy to get around, but I think the handle placement is not the best for my taste. I would have prefered a suitcase type placement so you can carry them one-handed. They are not that heavy.
And by the way, they sound incredible together.
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I bet that's right!
I bet that's right!
I have two AE212 cabs ..... they sound incredible together.
Whew... just played my 70's inspired Alleva-Coppolo LM5 J Bass through the F500/AE212 gig at home today for the first time. Oh my oh my... grindy, ganky, and FAT down low.... perfect match-up. That's what I'll be using this Saturday night. Can't wait... it sounds darn good!
Really looking for your feedback after that gig ... that 212 sounds great in your clip! Curious about the low end particularly.
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Whew... just played my 70's inspired Alleva-Coppolo LM5 J Bass through the F500/AE212 gig at home today for the first time. Oh my oh my... grindy, ganky, and FAT down low.... perfect match-up. That's what I'll be using this Saturday night. Can't wait... it sounds darn good!
Hey Ken, if you have time at some point, I'd love to see another comparison clip Youtube of the AE212 vs. the AE410 with the LM5 now that you have that back in town...
Hey Ken, if you have time at some point, I'd love to see another comparison clip Youtube of the AE212 vs. the AE410 with the LM5 now that you have that back in town...
I was thinking about doing that. The both sound darn good, but man, this AE212 is something. I know I recommended the AE410 to you with your similar J on the way, but whew!
I still need to really pound it at high volume, which will happen this Saturday with the LM. If it can handle the slap transients at high volume, I will crown this 'the best cab ever'
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I was thinking about doing that. The both sound darn good, but man, this AE212 is something. I know I recommended the AE410 to you with your similar J on the way, but whew!
I still need to really pound it at high volume, which will happen this Saturday with the LM. If it can handle the slap transients at high volume, I will crown this 'the best cab ever'
I think you just sold Jim 5 cabs from various people that lurk the TB forums...
One other thing I'm wondering about in addition to your big gig test is the schlepp process. In the past, I've always preferred loading in/out with a 410 type cab because it sits on wheels and is pretty easy to roll in. With that 212 are you using a cart, or do you have wheels on it? I would think that the cart would be easier to roll it (since you can do it with one hand) but does the load in/out take longer with that setup?
I think you just sold Jim 5 cabs from various people that lurk the TB forums...
One other thing I'm wondering about in addition to your big gig test is the schlepp process. In the past, I've always preferred loading in/out with a 410 type cab because it sits on wheels and is pretty easy to roll in. With that 212 are you using a cart, or do you have wheels on it? I would think that the cart would be easier to roll it (since you can do it with one hand) but does the load in/out take longer with that setup?
The 212 form factor is definitely a 'cart cab'... too small of a footprint for wheels. I'm kind of with you on the castor thing, and have always loved my 410UL with castors as the ultimate 'quick in and out' thing. And, there is a bit of positive tonal impact from having the cab up on wheels on hollow stages.
As mentioned above, the more 'narrow, tall' vibe of the AE212 has advantages (cart friendly, so good for long schlepps where the little castors can get tiresome), but the cab kind of sits right on your knees when you are carrying it.
Not a huge deal, and I'll be using my Kart-a-bag Super 600 with it, which is pretty cool. It does add to your set-up and take down time, but again, trade-offs and more trade-offs!!!
I'm getting ready to record that clip... not sure how it will turn out, but I'll throw it on my Youtube channel in an hour or so (Edit: differences too subtle to come through clearly in the basement. I'll have to get up the motivation to drag all this stuff upstairs to my 'recording room', but that won't happen today. Both sound killer, but the more tight punch versus the wider low end and smoother upper mids of the AE212 did not really come through enough to be worth posting).
I was thinking about doing that. The both sound darn good, but man, this AE212 is something. I know I recommended the AE410 to you with your similar J on the way, but whew!
I still need to really pound it at high volume, which will happen this Saturday with the LM. If it can handle the slap transients at high volume, I will crown this 'the best cab ever'
After listening to a bunch of your clips, my favorite sounding cabs are the AE410, the TCE RS210, and the AK ThunderChild -- all tight and punchy as heck.
With a good amp, I can dial-out some of the upper midrange grindiness of the AE410 that you love so much, whereas I like smooth articulation.
I add my appreciation to all those who have thanked you for the clips -- very illuminating.
Thanks! And yes, an amp with an upper mid control somewhere in the 1K region with a relatively narrow Q can work wonders to smooth out the AE410.
Also, +1... AE410, Thunder Child, and surprisingly the very low cost RS210 all have a similar meaty punch down low which I totally love especially in a mix. I can get there with the AE212 by dialing in a bit of low mids at 200 hz or so.
Good to know. I'm going to 'cart' it for a while, but if I get tired of that, I'll put on some castors. Thanks!
I'll post up Sunday evening when I get back into town. I'll be gigging in Louisville, KY this Saturday. Still going back and forth between using the Sadowsky or the LM, but either way, the key is, I'll have a pretty good idea of the 'hammer potential' of the AE212 versus the AE410 I've used in that room a few times previously.
I'm going to hire someone to come lean on you really hard if you don't get us a gig report with the AE212 by Sunday night.
I'm going to hire someone to come lean on you really hard if you don't get us a gig report with the AE212 by Sunday night.
I promise. It should be a good test... not a huge room, but a pretty loud, large band, no PA support, and lots of pop/funk on the play list. I decided to use my Sadowsky this weekend, since that is the bass I used in this room with the AE410 previously (with the F500). So, it will be kind of a nice test. Same drummer also, so pretty 'apples to apples'. I'm sure it is going to sound great, but just want to see how it does cranked up and slapping on the E and digging in on the B. That is the test for me. The AE410 has never, ever flinched.
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