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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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Musicman20 said:
Hi everyone

So, what is the general consensus of the 'best' overall micro/mini amp to pair with the AE212?

Im definitely leaning towards getting one, and I currently have the LM3, (and RH450) but am I better pairing it with a Shuttle 9.0 or Markbass F500?

Thanks
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After reading a few posts from TBers that some of the SMPS-type amps have had challenges with certain voltage conditions (and mostly because I get bored easily), I decided to buy a small, lighter-weight traditional amp as a backup to my Shuttle 9.0's. Since no Walkabouts were available at the time I bought, I decided to get one of the Eden Time Traveler 405's that are selling at a pretty good price on Ebay, now that the amp has been discontinued.

Yesterday it arrived! I hooked it up to my AE212s, and it sounded FANTASTIC (and OMG loud)! Lots of power, great clarity, and the super compressor that's been so popular with users of this amp. After a terrible experience with a WT-1205, this China-made amp is a real pleasure! It's rated at 405 watts into 4 ohms, and something like 625 watts into 2 ohms. Like the Walkabout, this amp sounds much louder than its specs imply.

Best of all, its a non SMPS amp that's still pretty light-weight! If it holds up over time, I'll really be pleased with this impulse-purchase!
 
#584
KJung said:
I don't think there would ever be a general consensus on something like this. Very few 'bad' pieces of gear on the market... just depends on the tone you want. It's the F500 all the way with that cab for me, but that's based on my tone goals, which you can hear in my clips... punchy, a bit grindy up top, bright but not sizzly. Others will prefer the warmer LMIII, the fatter, more old school RH450, the sizzly and aggressiveness of the MB500, etc.

The cab is voiced evenly enough to pretty much reproduce most of the tonal differences among all these heads IMO, which is a very good thing!
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I'll add that a lot of the choices have to do with the bass being played. As an example, when I was playing a Lakland 55-02, the LMII/Neox 212T was just as grindy as I wanted it. Lots of grunt thanks to the midrange complexity in the voicing of the 55-02 (with all pickups on). The throaty character of the voicing just spoke loudly through that setup. With a jazz bass however, it wasn't quite pronounced as much. The deeper, wider voicing of the jazz, along with the naturally scooped mids and slightly more sizzly highs sounded completely different on a gig. The rig itself no longer sounded upper-mid grindy at all with the jazz, but a bit pillowy and fat.

There's a synergy that has to exist to get that perfect voice, and even then it can be hit or miss in recreating that voicing from gig to gig.
 
#586
What do you guys think of the portability of the AE212?

I have two Aguilar DB112's; I like the sound, but those speakers are giving me backproblems. It not just the weight, it's the combination of weight, awkward size, only one handle and the fact that I have my gear on the second floor in my house. So every rehearsal/gig I have to carry the speakers down and up two stairs.

I find the AE212 very interesting, but it's a little heavier than a single DB112.

Can you guys get the AE212 up the stairs easily by yourself?
 
#588
DLM said:
The weight is manageable, but the difficulty for me is having the cab bang against my knees when walking, let alone going up/down stairs. Holding it higher mitigates this to some degree...
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I also find the handle placement to be less-than-ideal. I'm having StudioSlips make some clam-shell style bags for my AE-212's. They're designed to protect the bottom of the cabinets and to make the cabinets easier to carry.

The main improvement is to orient the bag's "handles" vertically, rather than horizontally. Also, the handles on the bags will be lower, at the center of the cabinet. This will make it easier to lift the cabinet above your knees two-handed, and it will be more balanced (or more level) when carried one-handed.

I just received a FedEx shipping notice on these bags, so I should have them next week. I'll let y'all know whether the bag design solves some of these minor cartage problems!

Cordially,
Greg
 
#593
I'm thinking that every bass speaker cabinet is going to have some sort of portability issues. There is just no way around it. The single 12"/10" eliminates a lot of issues but I know what you speak of with the single handle issue. Plus I always made two trips with my HT112s.

The benefit of the AE212 is that it significantly narrower and only around 55 pounds. If Jim had placed the side handles much lower it would involve stooping down even further and possibly make the cabinet off balance.

I find the AE212 much easier to get through narrow hallways and up and down stairways.
 
#596
Munjibunga said:
I took my Fodera and Eden WTX-500 along so I could see how it would sound as my light weight rig. Wow. It is so clean without any of that boxy sound I've heard in other 12s. It sounds like 10s only creamier, without losing the top end. So it's now sitting in my practice room.
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I'm glad that someone finally came out with a 2x12 that doesn't sound boxy, and retains the sound of a 4x10. I don't know exactly why I prefer the low end "Ka-thump!" of 4x10 and find all 2x12s to sound boxy, but I do (anyone have an explanation for that?)
 
#597
Chef said:
One man's hard to carry is another's easy schlepp.
i'm not calling anyone wrong, but I've only seen one or two people complain.
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Musicman20 said:
Shame about the portability, as in the end I could just wheel my DB212 in and it's not hugely heavier. I am still very interested in this cabinet though!
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My comment was not to sound like a complaint, but more of an observation. My previous cabs were UL-112s so you can imagine it was an adjustment for me to switch from carrying a cab on each side to a single cab in front of me. And because the AE212 is taller than most single-speaker cabs, I had to get used to it hitting my knees. At any rate, I would not let this discourage you from getting an AE212.

I would also like to say that the AE212 handles are very comfortable...nice and round, they don't put any pressure spots in your palms.
 
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I just think that a 410 has more voice coils, and you here that in the tone. I don't know that I've ever thought of 212's as boxy though. They do typically sound more old school, with less mid range and articulation. When I hear "boxy" I immediately think of those Schroeder baffle cabs.
 
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