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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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KJung said:
Most tweeter circuits (Epi, Berg, etc.) set the attenuator and internal 'pad' so that the output of the tweeter and driver are roughly the same at the noon setting, but that's not always the case.
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I haven't seen many that actually set anything. That's just coincidence. To actually set, calibrate to some value, it would require additional resistors on the board. Instead, the manufacturers just plop the variable L-pad (attenuator) on the board and call it a day. Some may use custom surrounds to show various numbers, amounts of attenuation relative to whatever, but beyond that very few tread.
 
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greenboy said:
I haven't seen many that actually set anything. That's just coincidence. To actually set, calibrate to some value, it would require additional resistors on the board. Instead, the manufacturers just plop the variable L-pad (attenuator) on the board and call it a day. Some may use custom surrounds to show various numbers, amounts of attenuation relative to whatever, but beyond that very few tread.
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Depends on the designer. I am pretty sure that Jim does not just 'pop' a variable L-Pad in there, and my ears tell me that it is a pretty well designed circuit that is reasonable 'SPL neutral' with the driver at the noon setting.

I'm sure you are correct on the cheaper stuff, and I've played many lesser cabs where the tweeter sounded awful at anything more than the 9 o'clock setting, which suggests what you point out above. I believe this is part of why some 'hate tweeters'... they've only heard cheap executions set inappropriately 'hot' at the noon setting.
 
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KJung said:
Depends on the designer. I am pretty sure that Jim does not just 'pop' a variable L-Pad in there, and my ears tell me that it is a pretty well designed circuit that is reasonable 'SPL neutral' with the driver at the noon setting.
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Take a look inside, or all is conjecture. This coming from a guy who opens things up, of course.

As far as the "well-designed circuit", that's not necessarily anything to do with the L-pad, it's just as likely the rest of the hi-pass/crossover design, or the compression driver choice, or both. Generally, the sensitivity of bad or good compression drivers used in bass cabs fall into being somewhere near the the 9 to 12 range in attenuator travel to get a rough match to the woofer sensitivity. That's the coincidence I referred to. It just doesn't require any extra resistors to get there, though some slightly more sophisticated designers might place a resistor shunt at the end of the circuit to minimize the chance of burnout if the attenuator is turned all the way down.
 
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Good to go beyond conjecture and into facts, Jim. Almost everybody is mickey-mousing this stuff in the bass guitar sector. EDIT: In fact, I've opened a lot of Name boxes up and a great majority of them would actually be improved if they had a generic Eminence off-the-shelfer in them. I haven't had the occasion to do so with one of your products, but maybe someday... It's rare to see someone designing for specific drivers in specific enclosures.
 
#730
FlyLow said:
Me too! I simply cannot believe the sound of these cabinets. They will hold up the world and do anything I ask of them. Thanks to Bass San Diego for pointing me in the right direction, and thanks to Ken Jung for his great evaluations on Youtube... These cabs are a bargain at any price...

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Thanks! Yes, the AE212 is just a stunningly good cab in every way. I continue to totally dig it... punchy, deep, and plenty present on the top end all at the same time. Beautiful top end/tweeter, great form factor, and it wumps in overall volume also!
 
#731
KJung said:
Thanks! Yes, the AE212 is just a stunningly good cab in every way. I continue to totally dig it... punchy, deep, and plenty present on the top end all at the same time. Beautiful top end/tweeter, great form factor, and it wumps in overall volume also!
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So what you're saying is that this would make an excellent cab for a six string player... ;)
 
#737
G said:
Seriously, I know that I don't post a whole lot, but sometimes it feels like we're (well, you) the only devout sixers around here. :hiding:
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Haven't seen you in quite some time around here for sure!

I think a lot of folks like to try a 6 but go back to either a 4 or 5 eventually. Most just don't find the need for the higher string in the gigs that they do. I've been playing 6 for so many years now, I really can't imagine playing something else....possibly a 7.....we'll see. I've only heard one person on that instrument that I've liked. I'm going to have to feel as strongly about the 7 as I did the 6 before I move in that direction.

Edit: There's also Steuart Liebig. He posts on here. I know that Anthony Jackson lurks about, and Damien Erskine is on from time to time. I think the 6 string will always be more scarce than most, but it does continue to be more recognizable than it used to be just a few years ago.
 
#738
Cannot believe that I've had this cab for 3 months now. Not one negative thing to say about it so far - performs like a champ with my Genz Benz GBE 400. However I'd like to find a lighter amp to lug, so I'd love to hear about possible contenders in the up to 15lb. range. The Shuttle 9.0, Streamliner, Tecamp Puma, GK Fusion, iAmp Pro, and some kind of Thunderfunk are all up for consideration. So guys, I'd love to hear your input on these as a possible AE212 playmate.

FWIW I do not need high volume, but I do need dynamic swing and transients - I think the main reason (to this point) for my love of bigass Genz amps.

Thoughts?
 
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esoxhntr said:
Cannot believe that I've had this cab for 3 months now. Not one negative thing to say about it so far - performs like a champ with my Genz Benz GBE 400. However I'd like to find a lighter amp to lug, so I'd love to hear about possible contenders in the up to 15lb. range. The Shuttle 9.0, Streamliner, Tecamp Puma, GK Fusion, iAmp Pro, and some kind of Thunderfunk are all up for consideration. So guys, I'd love to hear your input on these as a possible AE212 playmate.

FWIW I do not need high volume, but I do need dynamic swing and transients - I think the main reason (to this point) for my love of bigass Genz amps.

Thoughts?
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The iAmp Pro and Puma would be a big tonal departure from your Genz... much bigger down low, much less distortion/warmth in the midrange, and much more hi fi top end (especially the iAmp.. the Puma is a bit warmer but still very wide and hi fi). The Thunderfunk is just the opposite... warm, but VERY clean, with a very relaxed top end... again, very different than the upper mid present and brite Genz voicing.

The GK MBFusion, the Markbass F500, or the Shuttle 9 would probable be your best bet, and the Shuttle 9 would probably be your safest bet, since you like the Genz voicing.
 
#740
Man this cab has got me all GASsy but I am sure not sure I need it. The AE410 is just a killer cab and when I use that I almost always have FOH support. Almost always on hollow risers as well. So do I really need the extra low end? Are there any AE410 users that have tried the AE212 that didn't switch?
 
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