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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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#741
Saluki said:
Man this cab has got me all GASsy but I am sure not sure I need it. The AE410 is just a killer cab and when I use that I almost always have FOH support. Almost always on hollow risers as well. So do I really need the extra low end? Are there any AE410 users that have tried the AE212 that didn't switch?
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Well, I surely didn't 'switch'. The AE212 replaced my Epi 410UL, not my AE410.

They are different sounding cabs though, and it would be hard to not have a favorite. The AE212 won't do that grindy upper mid 'in your face' thing as well as the AE410, and the AE410 won't do the wider smoother thing as well.

However, as you might be able to hear on my comparison, I could get each cab to sound surprisingly close to one another by varying the EQ at around 250hz and around 1K or so if you have two bands of semi-parametric EQ (or fixed EQ voiced close to those center points).
 
#743
G said:
Ken - would you say that the 212 is more versatile? As in I can do pit orchestra on Thursday, bar band on Friday?
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I think that is pushing it a bit, but I guess I would say that it has a bit more of a neutral, relaxed voicing. And, of course, the footprint is smaller and the weight is about 8 pounds less... so that makes it a bit less of a 'big cab only' solution like a 410.

Edit: I have both of these in Detroit at the moment... you should take a small road trip and check these out. I'm around most weekdays! You are welcome to pop by.
 
#744
G said:
Ken - would you say that the 212 is more versatile? As in I can do pit orchestra on Thursday, bar band on Friday?
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Having done just that.. the answer is yes. In fact, pit orchestra Thursday, bar band Friday, jazz ensemble Saturday, jazz trio Sunday. Worked like a charm. I don't want to say the AE212 is more versatile, but I like it a little better than a 410, and it sure is versatile.
 
#745
esoxhntr said:
Having done just that.. the answer is yes. In fact, pit orchestra Thursday, bar band Friday, jazz ensemble Saturday, jazz trio Sunday. Worked like a charm. I don't want to say the AE212 is more versatile, but I like it a little better than a 410, and it sure is versatile.
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Cool. It is a great combination of small footprint, relatively light weight and relatively big ooomph... nice 'one cab solution' for a wide variety of gig contexts!

I guess the only minor downside is that you need that 6" behind the rear ports, which can move the cab out from the wall a bit on really small stages (and it does not allow for cramming your cover, cart, etc. behind your cab)... minor thing though.
 
#746
esoxhntr said:
Having done just that.. the answer is yes. In fact, pit orchestra Thursday, bar band Friday, jazz ensemble Saturday, jazz trio Sunday. Worked like a charm. I don't want to say the AE212 is more versatile, but I like it a little better than a 410, and it sure is versatile.
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If you don't mind my asking, what instruments were you using? And what show were you playing for?
 
#748
KJung said:
The iAmp Pro and Puma would be a big tonal departure from your Genz... much bigger down low, much less distortion/warmth in the midrange, and much more hi fi top end (especially the iAmp.. the Puma is a bit warmer but still very wide and hi fi). The Thunderfunk is just the opposite... warm, but VERY clean, with a very relaxed top end... again, very different than the upper mid present and brite Genz voicing.

The GK MBFusion, the Markbass F500, or the Shuttle 9 would probable be your best bet, and the Shuttle 9 would probably be your safest bet, since you like the Genz voicing.
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I may just wait until the Genz Streamliner appears. On paper it sounds like the exact thing I'm looking for. I do have a hankering to take a Thunderfunk for a spin though... the 420 appears often enough and inexpensively enough for an impulse purchase. ;)
 
#752
esoxhntr said:
I may just wait until the Genz Streamliner appears. On paper it sounds like the exact thing I'm looking for. I do have a hankering to take a Thunderfunk for a spin though... the 420 appears often enough and inexpensively enough for an impulse purchase. ;)
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I got my Shuttle 9.0 today, so I plugged it into my AE212, and I am here to tell you that you will love it with the Streamliner, assuming it has a tone profile similar to the 9.0. I set it flat to start, and it was hard to improve on the tone from there. Bass boost thickened up the bottom without mud, rich mids, crisp top. More in the GB Shuttle 9.0 thread.
 
#753
Munjibunga said:
I got my Shuttle 9.0 today, so I plugged it into my AE212, and I am here to tell you that you will love it with the Streamliner, assuming it has a tone profile similar to the 9.0. I set it flat to start, and it was hard to improve on the tone from there. Bass boost thickened up the bottom without mud, rich mids, crisp top. More in the GB Shuttle 9.0 thread.
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Cool. That head sounds very good with the AE410 also.. nice match!
 
#754
Munjibunga said:
I got my Shuttle 9.0 today, so I plugged it into my AE212, and I am here to tell you that you will love it with the Streamliner, assuming it has a tone profile similar to the 9.0. I set it flat to start, and it was hard to improve on the tone from there. Bass boost thickened up the bottom without mud, rich mids, crisp top. More in the GB Shuttle 9.0 thread.
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Off topic, but how is the volume/headroom on the 9.0 going for you?
 
#756
Musicman20 said:
I think I asked this before. Has anyone compared the AE212 with the Genz Neo x 212T?

Just curious...so many options!
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Not sure if anyone has done a direct A/B, since both of these pieces of gear are not in mass distribution and the AE212 is relatively new. I have played both, and feel (again from a non direct A/B... so take this with a grain of salt) that the Genz neo is tighter and brighter... actually a bit more similar to the AE410 than the deeper, smoother, wider AE212.
 
#758
poptart said:
Ken

I think you are pretty close - I feel the AE212 has more high and upper mid detail due to the superior quality tweeter, and the low end of the AE212 feels slightly deeper than the Neox 212T IMO.

Mark
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That about what I would expect. From my experience with the NeoX-212T, I would not have expected it to be brighter than the AE212, though the tighter part makes sense. The NeoX-212T is a very controlled and composed cab.
 
#759
tombowlus said:
That about what I would expect. From my experience with the NeoX-212T, I would not have expected it to be brighter than the AE212, though the tighter part makes sense. The NeoX-212T is a very controlled and composed cab.
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By 'brighter', I mean that I remember a stronger upper mid content coming off the top of the Genz drivers (a bit like the AE410). When you turn the tweeter down on the AE410, there is still a LOT of upper mid/lower treble energy coming out of the drivers themselves. I heard a bit of this with the Genz also.

With the AE212 (from what I understand, even more than with the AE112... haven't done the direct A/B), the top end of those specific drivers/tuning is quite smooth and relaxed, and as Poptart mentions, the lower treble/upper treble is much more refined and pure.

IMO there, and again, based on 'non direct/time in between' comparison with different heads and basses:p:D
 
#760
KJung said:
By 'brighter', I mean that I remember a stronger upper mid content coming off the top of the Genz drivers (a bit like the AE410). When you turn the tweeter down on the AE410, there is still a LOT of upper mid lower treble energy coming out of the drivers themselves. I heard a bit of this with the Genz also.
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Gotcha. That NeoX-212T does have a lot of upper midrange content, for sure.
 
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