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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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#782
tombowlus said:
Was someone proposing that a speaker might spontaneously combust or go thermo-nuclear if it wasn't broken in first? I guess I don't get where the "safety" thing is coming from. Most people whom I have heard discuss the merits of breaking in a cab were talking about making a more fair evaluation of the tone after a break-in period.
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I was never talking about safety.

Ken,
You were commenting only on tone. That's what I've been talking about here. Not safety. I was just pretty sure you'd previously denounced the whole thing for any reason. If I'm wrong about that, so be it. No biggie. :)
 
#784
KJung said:
Cool. I noticed a slight increase in the low end response over the first hour or so. You should be good to go after your first set tonight!
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My case seems to have been a bit more drastic. I was ready to pack everything up and send it back. On first playing through it it sounded thin and dry. Some lows and very prominent highs. I thought this cab is defective, not even near the ballpark of my ae410. This couldn't be the cabinet that Ken and Greg Beckstom are raving about. This couldn't be a Bergantino. But I stuck with it and lo and behold it got warmer and fuller after about an hour. I remembered that Ken had said that there was a break-in period so I hooked up my DOD Meatbox. Nothing like sending those 35hz frequencies to get a cabinet working. It's a keeper!

So with a resounding YES, there is a breaking period with the AE212.
 
#785
Jerry J said:
My case seems to have been a bit more drastic. I was ready to pack everything up and send it back. On first playing through it it sounded thin and dry. Some lows and very prominent highs. I thought this cab is defective, not even near the ballpark of my ae410. This couldn't be the cabinet that Ken and Greg Beckstom are raving about. This couldn't be a Bergantino. But I stuck with it and lo and behold it got warmer and fuller after about an hour. I remembered that Ken had said that there was a break-in period so I hooked up my DOD Meatbox. Nothing like sending those 35hz frequencies to get a cabinet working. It's a keeper!

So with a resounding YES, there is a breaking period with the AE212.
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+1 That first hour does make a difference with this particular cab for some reason.
 
#786
1) I wouldn't completely thrash any new cab for an extended period, I'd keep it moderate for awhile just to not end up setting up a failure point that causes problems later on.

2) Doing a bit of stuff before gigging on the other hand never hurts anything. Only when testing drivers or for design stuff does a break-in need to be formalized however.

3) Newer driver designs being used in some bass guitar cabs - and not just the real long xmax ones - probably shift more than you realize. It's sure no decimal point thing. And with the longer excursion drivers it's likely the change takes a longer time than one gig to reach a long-standing median.
 
#787
KJung said:
+1 That first hour does make a difference with this particular cab for some reason.
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I was so disappointed when I first started playing through the cab. My AE410 was plug and play and sounded remarkeable from the very first moment. This deal with the ae212 was the first time I had experienced this with a bass cabinet. Although when I was highly involved with hi-end stereo hifi I did get a set of speakers that did take awhile to open up.

I'm sure most dealers would play through there demo ae212 a bit before letting a perspective buyer try them out.
 
#788
Jerry J said:
I was so disappointed when I first started playing through the cab. My AE410 was plug and play and sounded remarkeable from the very first moment. This deal with the ae212 was the first time I had experienced this with a bass cabinet. Although when I was highly involved with hi-end stereo hifi I did get a set of speakers that did take awhile to open up.

I'm sure most dealers would play through there demo ae212 a bit before letting a perspective buyer try them out.
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+1 And, to Greenboy's point, the drivers being used in some of the newer bass cabs are quite different (and superior) to the earlier stuff (even within the last year), so we might hear a bit more of this in the future.
 
#789
KJung said:
I'll try this one more time:

1) Safety issue...
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And let me try this one more time... I didn't bring this up as a concern, so I'm confused as to why you keep bringing it back up when responding to me.

Seems like the rest of yer post is kinda' "dancin'" a bit, but that's ok. :)
 
#792
Vic said:
And let me try this one more time... I didn't bring this up as a concern, so I'm confused as to why you keep bringing it back up when responding to me.

Seems like the rest of yer post is kinda' "dancin'" a bit, but that's ok. :)
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Gets popcorn and sits back...:eek::D

I read that Ken is saying that with the AE212 and all of the newer speaker designs that this break-in period may become a normal thing. We probably won't have to play just Steely Dan CDs though. I'd like to recommend the DOD Meatbox as a tool for breaking in new speakers.:D
 
#793
Jerry J said:
Gets popcorn and sits back...:eek::D

I read that Ken is saying that with the AE212 and all of the newer speaker designs that this break-in period may become a normal thing. We probably won't have to play just Steely Dan CDs though. I'd like to recommend the DOD Meatbox as a tool for breaking in new speakers.:D
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I'd go so far as to say that the potential tonal benefits of allowing the drivers to break-in a bit has been around for a long time, but that other than certain fairly specific situations, it isn't really relevant to even discuss any potential "safety" issues.
 
#794
Jerry J said:
I read that Ken is saying that with the AE212 and all of the newer speaker designs that this break-in period may become a normal thing. We probably won't have to play just Steely Dan CDs though.
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That would not benefit modern drivers. Probably a lot better to select newer Gary Willis material.
 
#795
Ken,
Honestly(!) for the record, my jabs are friendly. :)

But back on topic, I have three words for you, my friend... "I blame you".

Yeah, it's been a long time since I've had cab GAS, and now I have it again. Ok, not just you, it's also the other fanboys here, but mainly you. Our tonal prefs aren't 100.00% aligned, but for the most part, they really are, so I generally trust your tonal assessments when you talk about how a cab sounds.

I've had the pleasure of gigging with the AE112 cabs as singles and a pair, and been VERY impressed. In fact, I may have even selected those over the pair of AE210's I currently have, because I was really surprised at how much was going on in the upper mids on those cabs, which is unusual for 112 cabs (at least IME), which is why I've generally favored 10's.

So if the diffs between the AE112x2 and the AE212 are as described here, then I think I'd like the AE212 even more than I did the AE112x2, which is a LOT.

On a more general note, I've been pretty much of a fanboy of another maker for the most part in the past, but ever since Jim came out with the AE series, that's not been true anymore. I just have to say how impressed I am with this product line. My AE210 cabs have been my main gigging rig since I got them, and my "other" cabs, well, are collecting dust for the most part now.

Anyway, I really doubt I can make it happen this year... would require some painful decisions I'm not quite ready to make, but suffices to say, I'd be surprised if I didn't at least give one of these a very serious audition in early-mid 2011.
 
#797
Vic said:
Ken,
Honestly(!) for the record, my jabs are friendly. :)

But back on topic, I have three words for you, my friend... "I blame you".

Yeah, it's been a long time since I've had cab GAS, and now I have it again. Ok, not just you, it's also the other fanboys here, but mainly you. Our tonal prefs aren't 100.00% aligned, but for the most part, they really are, so I generally trust your tonal assessments when you talk about how a cab sounds.

I've had the pleasure of gigging with the AE112 cabs as singles and a pair, and been VERY impressed. In fact, I may have even selected those over the pair of AE210's I currently have, because I was really surprised at how much was going on in the upper mids on those cabs, which is unusual for 112 cabs (at least IME), which is why I've generally favored 10's.

So if the diffs between the AE112x2 and the AE212 are as described here, then I think I'd like the AE212 even more than I did the AE112x2, which is a LOT.

On a more general note, I've been pretty much of a fanboy of another maker for the most part in the past, but ever since Jim came out with the AE series, that's not been true anymore. I just have to say how impressed I am with this product line. My AE210 cabs have been my main gigging rig since I got them, and my "other" cabs, well, are collecting dust for the most part now.

Anyway, I really doubt I can make it happen this year... would require some painful decisions I'm not quite ready to make, but suffices to say, I'd be surprised if I didn't at least give one of these a very serious audition in early-mid 2011.
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Just do it Vic so I can compare it right next to my AE410.
 
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