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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

#503
Laurent said:
I have been reading about this new cab for a while and even got to test one.
I was pretty impressed with what I heard. It sounded to me like a warmer version of the Bergantion cabs I tried in the past.

At the same time I have noticed in the for sale section of Talk Bass a number of bass players posting this cab for sale just a few days after buying them.

Does anybody has a sense for what's going on?
Are these cases of buyers' remorse, the cab being overhyped or not performing well past a quick audition?


As I am potentially contemplating buying an AE212 any insight would be appreciated.
I have the perfect amp for it (F500) but as I had to resell a RS210 at a loss this year, I'm trying not to make the same mistake twice.
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Well I am on of those guys. My AE212 has grown on me quite a bit since I posted it. I admit to being fickle and I have not bumped my own post because I'm 82.356% happy with it now. Plus since getting an AE112 I have a nice little 3/12 stack going on and I'm enjoying the combination and the comments I get from people on the AE212 by itself.

If you are planning on using your F500 I think your going to be really happy with the punch and tightness from that combination and the ability to sweep your mids as well where you want them.
I don't see selling this cabinet to perfectly honest.
 
#505
Played one over at Willie's in St. Paul a couple weekends ago after stopping in on a whim and was blown AWAY! Head was a GK MB Fusion. Bass was a new Geddy Lee Jazz. Close enuff, given that I have a Jazz.

Rattled everything in the store with that combo and it was clearly loafing along in relation to its maximum possible output. I have always liked a big, clear piano sound, and this 56 lbs of gear (that's inclusive of the amplifier) surely had it.

I used 12s for years in the 1970s-80s before heading off to grad school and have been bummed that there are so few cabs featuring 12s designed for bass rather than repurposed guitar 4x12s. The GK/Bergy combo was quite the cat's meow IMO, and I intend to check it out with my own basses - especially the Alembic - in the near future. Gassin' bad for that pair! :hyper:
 
#506
My first bass amp was a 212 Fender Bassman. I painted two fences and a two story house to earn the $200 for that "rig" used in the local classified. Was advertised as a 215, but only had a 212 in it when I traded it in. Young and dumb.... Picture below was a gig with the first band. Didn't make much hay, but was popular enough that people would jump on stage dancing with us...

This 212 works a good bit better. Maybe it will be the last one I need to buy. (Right);)
 

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#507
bucephylus said:
My first bass amp was a 212 Fender Bassman. I painted two fences and a two story house to earn the $200 for that "rig" used in the local classified. Was advertised as a 215, but only had a 212 in it when I traded it in. Young and dumb.... Picture below was a gig with the first band. Didn't make much hay, but was popular enough that people would jump on stage dancing with us...

This 212 works a good bit better. Maybe it will be the last one I need to buy. (Right);)
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My first rig was a Bassman 50 head (circa 1965) with a Fender 212 cab. BOY did that suck.
 
#510
This AE212 has virtually all the elements covered. I have a rather sophisticated (as in really dark tones) early Tobias Signature that just has not been able to yin yang with any amp chain for me. But, this AE212 is a whole nother story. Not too sure what its volume capability is, but the AE212 defines the term tone monster, far as I can tell. What a piece of work! Way beyond impressed.
 
#512
Will the AE410 be dramatically louder and deeper than the AE212? I want to sell my 2 Eden cabs due to the weight of the D210xst, and the impedance mismatch of my D212XLT (4 ohms). I'd like to have one killer cab that can handle park concert stages, instead of needing 2 cabs to get the stage volume for those outdoor shows.
 
#513
BBEgo said:
Will the AE410 be dramatically louder and deeper than the AE212? I want to sell my 2 Eden cabs due to the weight of the D210xst, and the impedance mismatch of my D212XLT (4 ohms). I'd like to have one killer cab that can handle park concert stages, instead of needing 2 cabs to get the stage volume for those outdoor shows.
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The AE410 will be very slightly louder, but will not go deeper than the AE212. The cabs are very similar, though the 410 has more of a mid push and the 212 has more deep low end.

Both great cabs, and while I prefer the tone of the 410 (play mostly hard rock), I like the 212 a whole lot and use it on some gigs where I want a smoother tone or more low end. It's such a breeze to load in/out too.

Both will get VERY loud. I've used my 410 for a number of outdoor shows.
 
#514
BBEgo said:
Will the AE410 be dramatically louder and deeper than the AE212? I want to sell my 2 Eden cabs due to the weight of the D210xst, and the impedance mismatch of my D212XLT (4 ohms). I'd like to have one killer cab that can handle park concert stages, instead of needing 2 cabs to get the stage volume for those outdoor shows.
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Munji might also add his two cents, we were both comparing these two cabs one day side by side. Deeper? No I don't think so, but the AE410 has a fatter (high bass or low mid bump) so the perception of more volume might be there somewhat.

If you have a 4 ohm Eden 212XLT your moving as much air probably as the AE212. The Eden is a bigger cabinet too, the AE212 is a compact 212 box it's not a 410 slayer in my opinion and if thats what you are after the AE410 would be my choice in a heartbeat. The AE212 won me over mainly because of it's portability, it's as easy to move as a beefy 210 box but holds it's own as a stand alone in louder settings with aplomb.
 
#515
bucephylus said:
Kalamazoo was a low priced Gibson subsidiary. I started with a Kalamazoo bass, which promptly snapped its headstock off due to there being NO truss rod at all in the neck! Unbelievable. Then got that white P bass in the picture. Off and running from there.
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Wow no kidding? I had my one and only trussrod disaster on my Kalamazoo bass. Snapped that baby and that neck just took off like a rocket and ended up in the dumpster. Did yours have a big humbucker up by the neck joint?
 
#518
Doug Parent said:
Munji might also add his two cents, we were both comparing these two cabs one day side by side. Deeper? No I don't think so, but the AE410 has a fatter (high bass or low mid bump) so the perception of more volume might be there somewhat.

If you have a 4 ohm Eden 212XLT your moving as much air probably as the AE212. The Eden is a bigger cabinet too, the AE212 is a compact 212 box it's not a 410 slayer in my opinion and if thats what you are after the AE410 would be my choice in a heartbeat. The AE212 won me over mainly because of it's portability, it's as easy to move as a beefy 210 box but holds it's own as a stand alone in louder settings with aplomb.
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Doug - you have to come over and try out the 410.
 

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