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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!
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See post #340:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/bergantino-ae212;-part-2-a-724815/index17.html#post10563098
Hey Tom, thanks for the report. Have you been able to A/B the 2x AE112 vs the AE212. I recall people saying there were substantial differences with the 212 being deeper.
Slaine, interesting comments about the S9 working set flat. I find the same thing with the S9 and my NV610, whereas I have to do some serious cut around 700Hz - 900 Hz for almost any other cab. There seems to be something about the way Jim voices his mids and whatever GB did with their preamp voicing that works.
I've got an AE212 arriving Tuesday, which will hopefully become my main mid-volume gigging tool.
I liked the EG settings for the SHUTTLE (in my case with an AE212 also):- all settings "o'clock":-- Bass 10, MID 2, MID FREQ 9.30, Treble- 1. LF boost ON, MID SCOOP -ON, HF boost -OFF
All these settinga are 'approx's' only- someone DID list them somewhere but I did like the Effect of 1stly Cutting the mids-via the scoop button, then boosting the low mids with the freq control & MIDS level. The LOW freq BOOST button -then cutting the low control seems to add a nice 'pillowy' bottom end.
I found it suits the AE212 nicely.
I've used this combo a few times with the Mesa WALKABOUT head powering.
Basically I can simply 'echo' what was stated in post #340 by RODNEYAT. Seems LOUD-very (this is with the so called 'little Walkabout' remember....
& Yes the 112 seems to fill the mids up a little. I really like BOTH AE 12" cabs & using 'em both was just lovely.
rodl2005 said:I've used this combo a few times with the Mesa WALKABOUT head powering.
Basically I can simply 'echo' what was stated in post #340 by RODNEYAT. Seems LOUD-very (this is with the so called 'little Walkabout' remember....
I really like BOTH AE 12" cabs & using 'em both was just lovely.
How is this possible as the webpage states the m pulse walkabout is 4 ohm.
Chef said:
Sorry Chef, is this because it is rated 2 ohm or like a lot of Mesa gear does more than stated? Just got my AE212 and am interested in finding a 2 ohm capable small amp.
When originally issued, it was rated for 2 ohms, and the manual stated "recommended load 4 ohms, minimum load 2 ohms" for many years.
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I haven't compared them side by side yet, but I do hear some differences, for sure. I'll try to make a direct comparison and then report back.
Tom.
Neither the Shuttle 9.0 or the RH450 are very hi-fi by default. The Shuttle has an upper-mid dominant voicing that easy to see on a scope. The RH450 is actually a bit flatter on a response curve except that it has some attenuation over 7k that makes it sound a bit warmer.
To get the RH450 closer to the Shuttle's tone, boost lows, upper mids and highs by 1 click, and drop low mids by 1 click. Set the treble center at max, and set the bass frequency center around 10:30. If you want to get clsoer than that, you really need the RH750 so that you can open up the top-end with the Tweetertone control.
Thanks Eublet,
I will try this tonight - making a decision on which amp to keep, as I am buying a Sadaowsky 5 and need some $$$.
Just bought an AE112 as well, for a smaller gig rig, but havent gigged with it yet - anyone use this with an RH450 or Shuttle 9.0?
I have a 2x AE 112 stack and would also be interested in your comparison with the AE 212. Because the 2x AE112 has two tweeters vs one in the AE212 , you may wish to do do the comparison with and without one of tweeters on/ off on the 2xAE112 . Also , the frequency response is wider on the AE 112 , 40-18k vs 40 -15k for the AE212--wonder if you can hear the difference ? The AE212 also has different sensitivity (103db) than the AE112 (100db).
OK, my AE212 arrived yesterday, and I messed a bit with it this morning before heading out the door. With the tweet maybe 25% on it seems to have great balance and plenty of heft. Jim's cabs are just so brain dead to get a good sound with them. They are truly the Sadowsky of bass cabs. Bravo.
Only problem is my NV610 may sit home a bit more...
Only problem is my NV610 may sit home a bit more...
Let me be the 1st to offer to keep your NV610 busy for you (don't want it to feel neglected)!
[An NV610 would be a terrible thing to waste!]
How does the AE212 sound, compared to an Eden D212XLT?
I'm curious mainly about tone, volume, and lows...
I'm curious mainly about tone, volume, and lows...
Similar volume. The AE212 will have more extended low end, but the 212xlt will have more low-mids and will seem fatter in a mix. The AE212 is more on the modern side, with present uppermids that border on being aggressive. The 212xlt is definitely more pillowy sounding, with a relaxed upper-mid presence. Two very different sounding cabinets IMO.
Its been so long since I played one of those Edens that I'm kind of going on haze here, but...
My impression is that the Berg is more evenly balanced vs the low-mid bump I recall on the Eden; which isn't a bad thing. The Berg can probably do that with some EQ'ing, but is inherently more even to my ear. Lows are quite present in the Berg; no compromise there at all - good heft. The tweeter is a thing of beauty, but kind of like the Sadowsky tone controls, a little goes a long way.
Course, I'm a rookie with this cab. I'm sure some other players will have better input.
I agree with both of these. I had a D-212XLT and sold it because it didn't have the high mids I required. Years later, I bought the AE212 and am very pleased with the evenness accross the frequency range. I used to think I didn't like 12s because of the Eden, but the AE212 is now one of my favorite cabs.
