When you guys talk about these two versions, are you saying that the older 210 is vertical as in one on top of the other, and the newer 210 is more of a diagonal " vertical " ( slanted ) ?
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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!
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Think of the format of the final version as the original (which also had offset drivers) turned on its side, with the handles, feet and badge oriented that way. So, in that way, it is just the original with the hardware reconfigured.
However, what I didn't realize (and was a pleasant surprise when I got mine) was that the crossover was redesigned to more mimic the smooth, even response of the AE212, versus the original AE210, which pretty much was just 'half the AE410.
Here is a picture. The updated AE210 is like a more even, lighter HS210 to my ear (I owned that cab for a while).
^ So, it's just a matter of hardware location: the newer version has the handles and feet oriented so you would naturally position it vertically. And THAT version has the different crossover.
Mine was the original. Which, as Ken stated above...Was really voiced to be "half of an AE410". The newer AE210 is definitely more suited for stand alone than the original was. AE210 v2 is definitely more like the AE212 than ver 1.
Yes, hardware location on the newer version, along with the different crossover. Nice box, not many made, since the change was made shortly before the entire line was eliminated.
Amazingly good 210 if that tone profile fits your needs. Loud, relatively lightweight, GREAT form factor and look!
Can anyone recommend some good eq settings for my F1 when paired with my AE212? Ken, I'm looking in your direction...
Of course, a bit depends on the room and bass. With both my J's and P, fliters off, EQ flat except for a slight boost in the upper mids (1 to 2 o'clock) depending on the room.
The crossover is so smooth that you can also get away with setting the tweeter attenuator a bit hotter than with the other AE cabs... it stays quite smooth.
Great match-up for me with my F500 right out of the box. And, the F1's upper mid control centered at 800hz is in the perfect spot for putting back a touch of upper mid grind/bump if you are looking for that. Also, the F1/F500 bass control is set low enough that you can dial that back just a smidge in boomy rooms and pretty much only eliminate the bad stuff.
However, no EQ will get it to punch and grind like the AE410... it is just a different beast... bigger, smoother, sweeter sounding.
Maximum volume... yes. Low end... not really, more punchy than big. But, that is kind of the nature of most companies' voicing of their 10's versus 12's.
I have a comparison clip of the BaerML112 and the AE210 on my youtube channel as a data point.
The max volume is about the same as the 4ohm Thunderchild (given the AE's higher sensitivity), but again, it won't quite hit the low end extension when really pushed.
BTW, the Walkabout was glorious with the AE212 at the gig Friday night. I found myself turning down the Walkabout's bass knob which surprised me because in the bedroom, I had it about 1:30. But very pleased with the low end. Worked equally well with my Lakland Glaub and my MM Sub 5. The key board player walked out front during soundcheck and he thought it sounded great. It was a small room so I didn't use PA support, only had it in my ears.
Who would have thunk itAmazing instrument. I have a bunch of clips of it on my Youtube channel if you are interested. It has its own voice.... very articulate and a bit bright. 8 pounds, and a very nice B string!
Ok, I'm glad this was finally figured out. I was getting really confused about the comments regarding mids between the 212 vs the 210's. Mine are the older ones and they're a lot more mid present than the AE 212's I've played through.
+1 The newer AE210 is still a punchy, mid present little beast. However, it does not have that upper mid bump like the original model, making it a bit more like the AE212 in that regard. It is a significant improvement IMO when using one as a stand-alone, since the low end of a single AE210 was not quite up to the task of keeping up with the top end brightness. Much more balanced now.
With two of them, the original AE210 stack sounded pretty close to the AE410 (minus a smidge of low end balls). With two of the newer AE210's, the increased low end would get you a bit closer to the AE212 due to the coupling/low end boost and smooth top end, and with more lower mid presence IMO.
Doug Parent
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Slight derail: The comments about the AE210 / low end vs. the AE112 low end reminds me of how FAT the old HT210 was down low. Reminds me of the AE212 is terms of low end girth. I'd LOVE a fatter sounding AE210 with the grind factor still there as well, just my thing.
That HT210 was one of my least favorite Berg cabs... HUGE down low, and VERY polite through the mids, and weighed a ton. However, +1 Fatter than fat... dub fat!
The description of the new HD210 seems to have the potential to be a 'bigger sounding' AE210 (although I'm sure not to the extent of the old HT210). It has been posted that Jim revoiced the HS210 drivers to be more aggressive in the upper mids.
Doug Parent
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If that also means it's wider in the lows than the AE line, I might have to check it out.
