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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

#662
KJung said:
Porting, cab size, crossover. For example, the Aguilar DB112 and GS112 use the same driver and tweeter, but sound WAY different.
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And in the case of the Aggie cabs...the wood used. The GS is mahogany and I believe the DB is birch. The bracing inside the cabinet is another factor. It is really not uncommon for builders to use the same drivers for cabs in their product line that can sound a lot different.
 
#663
KJung said:
IN the case of the AE212 versus the AE112, a different crossover is used to smooth the top end of the AE212. VERY different sounding cabs.
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+1 the AE212 has a lower crossover point compared to the AE112. (Removing the crossover briefly as a test, the AE212 instantly sounded brighter in the upper mids.)

I suspect the coupling of the two 12's in the AE212 "thicken" and focus the lows more so, where the AE112 stack seems less coupled, and also a little less focused in the lows, more "open" sounding with less low end extension.
 
#664
Doug Parent said:
+1 the AE212 has a lower crossover point compared to the AE112. (Removing the crossover briefly as a test, the AE212 instantly sounded brighter in the upper mids.)

I suspect the coupling of the two 12's in the AE212 "thicken" and focus the lows more so, where the AE112 stack seems less coupled, and also a little less focused in the lows, more "open" sounding with less low end extension.
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+1 The AE212 is MUCH bigger, louder and smoother sounding than the AE112 x 2 stack.
 
#666
Doug Parent said:
It's the J-Lo of the AE series. :p
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:p +1

Again, with the tweaks Jim did to the final version of the AE210 (that you posted about), and the introduction of the AE212, the AE line was just the tops of the tops in neo cabs prior to being eliminated IMO.

Let's hope the 'AE Series II' cabs will be introduced sometime down the road when the neo pricing settles down.
 
#667
KJung said:
:p +1

Again, with the tweaks Jim did to the final version of the AE210 (that you posted about), and the introduction of the AE212, the AE line was just the tops of the tops in neo cabs prior to being eliminated IMO.

Let's hope the 'AE Series II' cabs will be introduced sometime down the road when the neo pricing settles down.
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The guys at Bass San Diego said the DNA line was very similar, tonally compared to the AE line, just FYI albeit the DNA 10" loaded boxes are ceramic only.
 
#670
KJung said:
IN the case of the AE212 versus the AE112, a different crossover is used to smooth the top end of the AE212. VERY different sounding cabs.
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Thanks Ken, thought this was the case. Definitely hearing more of the Markbass grind I liked with the AE112 x 2 as opposed to the AE212 with the Puma, but spoilt for choice as I can run an AE412. :D
 
#673
KJung said:
Something about that brand just doesn't interest me at all.
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It's kinda weird. I don't know if it's Lane Baldwin's involvement (or Mike Winnen), David's departure from Eden, or what. I think I get what you guys are saying, but I will say that I've played the DNS-410 at BSD, and it is one of the best-sounding 410s I've heard (compare Quattro, GS410, D-410XLT, AE410). It's too big and heavy for me, but if I were 25, I'd own one. I like like it better than the Eden line.
 
#674
KJung said:
:p +1

Again, with the tweaks Jim did to the final version of the AE210 (that you posted about), and the introduction of the AE212, the AE line was just the tops of the tops in neo cabs prior to being eliminated IMO.

Let's hope the 'AE Series II' cabs will be introduced sometime down the road when the neo pricing settles down.
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I was lucky enough to get all but the 112 version of the AEs before they evaporated, and I have to say that the AE210 is my favorite in terms of pound-for-pound performance. I love the tone with my 5-strings. I'm tempted to gig it, but I'm a little concerned about volume. I think it'd be great for smaller venues.
 
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#675
Munjibunga said:
I was lucky enough to get all but the 112 version of the AEs before they evaporated, and I have to say that the AE210 is my favorite in terms of pound-for-pound performance. I love the tone with my 5-strings. I'm tempted to gig it, but I'm a little concerned about volume. I think it'd be great for smaller venues.
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When I had one, I used it for smaller gigs all the time. I later switched to the ae112 for small gig and the 212 for larger or even adding the two together for outdoor stuff
 
#677
Doug Parent said:
How did the AE112 perform vs. the AE210 for smaller venues?
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As you would expect, the ae210 definitely moved more air. But, for smaller rooms. The ae112 was more than sufficient. It probably had a little more down low but the 210 was louder and tighter. So you could crank it a bit more to get some more of the perceived bottom end back. I switched to using a stack of Aggie db112s for a while. Which was my only reason for getting away from the ae210s. I then went to the ae212 and the 112. Which has served me REALLY well.
 
#678
rodneyat said:
As you would expect, the ae210 definitely moved more air. But, for smaller rooms. The ae112 was more than sufficient. It probably had a little more down low but the 210 was louder and tighter. So you could crank it a bit more to get some more of the perceived bottom end back. I switched to using a stack of Aggie db112s for a while. Which was my only reason for getting away from the ae210s. I then went to the ae212 and the 112. Which has served me REALLY well.
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Was your ae210 the older horizontal style or the newer vertical format? Did you find that the 210 mirrored the tone of your ae212?
 
#680
Munjibunga said:
My AE210 is the vertical one, and it definitely does not mirror the tone of the AE212. The AE212 is more mid-rich, and not as defined on top as the AE210.
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+1 I would, though, say that the final 'vertical' version of the AE210 is what you would expect from a smaller, 10" loaded version of the AE212 (versus a half of an AE410). Of course, much less wump and much less true low end than the AE212, but a tone profile much closer to what many would describe as a 'ceramic' tone than the AE112, the AE410 or the original AE210, which used a different crossover and are all much brighter and grindier than the AE212 and AE210.

So, I do view my AE210 (version II) as a 'small AE212' in that way (it also looks exactly like a mini AE212. I REALLY like that AE210 update... better form factor, and for stand-alone use, a better tone profile for me than the original... punchy, smoother, but it will still bark, and pleny of usable low end that is easy to control.
 

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