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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

#702
Does anyone have any insight on why Jim changed the configuation of the new HD 210 back to a horizonal layout as opposed to the vertical array of the newer AE 210. I know that they are the same box and the HD has feet both sides but with the added weight of the new cabinet it seems like the vertical layout with the handles higher and closer together would be an easier carry.
 
#703
MRSKI said:
Does anyone have any insight on why Jim changed the configuation of the new HD 210 back to a horizonal layout as opposed to the vertical array of the newer AE 210. I know that they are the same box and the HD has feet both sides but with the added weight of the new cabinet it seems like the vertical layout with the handles higher and closer together would be an easier carry.
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I was disappointed that he did that. I guess since the HD is a refresh of the HS, he just kept the same basic design (mybe even the same exact box, not sure).
 
#704
MRSKI said:
Does anyone have any insight on why Jim changed the configuation of the new HD 210 back to a horizonal layout as opposed to the vertical array of the newer AE 210. I know that they are the same box and the HD has feet both sides but with the added weight of the new cabinet it seems like the vertical layout with the handles higher and closer together would be an easier carry.
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Dunno about the handles, but the cab has feet on two sides so it can be situated either way.
 
#706
It's also worth mentioning that in addition to have a bit more presence in the upper mids, the HD210 and HD410 should also have a little more going on down low, relative to their HS series counterparts. This is based upon what Jim has told me, and now based upon what I have heard (as I have not heard the HD210/410... yet... :ninja:).

Tom.
 
#707
Jim Bergantino said:
Maybe I can give a little insight as to why we went back to the horizontal configuration for the HD210. I felt that by doing it vertically like the last version of the AE210, it would always have to be a 2 handed lift, especially given the added weight of the ceramics. By having the handles as we do, and adding the feet to the right side of the cabinet, some may still manage, at least for short distances, a one handed lift. Given the over all dimensions of the cabinet, I don't feel a 2 handed heft in the horizonal configuration should be much, if at all, of an incovenience as compared to a vertical orientation of the cab/handles.

As for various versions of the AE's. here it is ;-} ...

AE410 has been the same from its inception, as has the AE212.

AE210 horizontal to vertical version, the vertical version was revoiced in addition to reorienting the cab to cut down some of the upper mids.

And finally, not many know this, but the last run of AE112's were also revoiced to lean more towards the voicing of the AE212's. This is denoted by a "B" in the serial #.

Hope this helps answer all your AE questions!

Regards,

Jim Bergantino
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Thanks Jim, I have another question coming to you via PM.
 
#708
Jim Bergantino said:
Maybe I can give a little insight as to why we went back to the horizontal configuration for the HD210. I felt that by doing it vertically like the last version of the AE210, it would always have to be a 2 handed lift, especially given the added weight of the ceramics. By having the handles as we do, and adding the feet to the right side of the cabinet, some may still manage, at least for short distances, a one handed lift. Given the over all dimensions of the cabinet, I don't feel a 2 handed heft in the horizonal configuration should be much, if at all, of an incovenience as compared to a vertical orientation of the cab/handles.

As for various versions of the AE's. here it is ;-} ...

AE410 has been the same from its inception, as has the AE212.

AE210 horizontal to vertical version, the vertical version was revoiced in addition to reorienting the cab to cut down some of the upper mids.

And finally, not many know this, but the last run of AE112's were also revoiced to lean more towards the voicing of the AE212's. This is denoted by a "B" in the serial #.

Hope this helps answer all your AE questions!

Regards,

Jim Bergantino
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Thanks for the input Jim, as I said earlier, having super smooth cabs such as the HT112ER, HS210 and AE212, I was really amazed at the voicing of the early AE112's. I understand that a change was also that the leather handles got replaced by a single handle later on??
 
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Jim Bergantino said:
And finally, not many know this, but the last run of AE112's were also revoiced to lean more towards the voicing of the AE212's. This is denoted by a "B" in the serial #.

Hope this helps answer all your AE questions!

Regards,

Jim Bergantino
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Lucky enough to own a pair of the B series AE112s. Perfect marriage between the original AE112s and the AE212. I compared them directly with the older A series, which I used for awhile. I could have been happy with either but I love the AE112 (Bs) with the STM 900. My go to rig now.

BTW, I fought my tone a bit with the AE212 and find the B series to still have more upper mid presence than the AE212, but it could be they just have less going on in the low end making them sound more balanced to my ear. And I can still use the M6/AE410 when I need to get out some aggresion.:bassist:
 
#712
Saluki said:
Lucky enough to own a pair of the B series AE112s. Perfect marriage between the original AE112s and the AE212. I compared them directly with the older A series, which I used for awhile. I could have been happy with either but I love the AE112 (Bs) with the STM 900. My go to rig now.

BTW, I fought my tone a bit with the AE212 and find the B series to still have more upper mid presence than the AE212, but it could be they just have less going on in the low end making them sound more balanced to my ear. And I can still use the M6/AE410 when I need to get out some aggresion.:bassist:
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Nice. That change he made to the AE210 is magnificent, and IMO the AE112's were even more in need of that tweak. Again, shame they don't exist any more. Hopefull, they will come back in one form or another in the next year or two.
 
#714
KJung said:
Nice. That change he made to the AE210 is magnificent, and IMO the AE112's were even more in need of that tweak. Again, shame they don't exist any more. Hopefull, they will come back in one form or another in the next year or two.
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Based on my tone goals, I prefer the "A" upper midrange profile and is still my favorite, although I totally dig how different bassist have their preferences.

Love to have a A/B switch on the crossover plate ! :hyper:
 
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#715
Doug Parent said:
Based on my tone goals, I prefer the "A" upper midrange profile and is still my favorite, although I totally dig how different bassist have their preferences.

Love to have a A/B switch on the crossover plate ! :hyper:
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My 'A/B switch' is the AE212 for deep, smooth goodness, and the AE410 for grindy punchy goodness:D

However, +1 if that sort of switch could be put on the AE212 (if it ever is reintroduced), that would be pretty cool. The TecAmp cabs (and the current Mesa cabs) have that sort of switch, which changes the crossover point to allow for a more traditional 'airy' top end like a typical 2 way cab, or a grindy, aggressive top end. Cool design.

For stand-alone playing, I'm loving the AE210 change, and I think I would dig the change in the AE112 also (although there are better 12's for stand-alone use out there IMO).
 
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I know "what it is", I was trying to pry out of you what on earth you meant by "+++++", which has no meaning in English, and could just as easily mean "five stars great" as "five letter swear word". And either way, I wanted to know what particularly about it was so great or terrible.
 

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