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Bergantino B/Amp at NAMM

#881
husky123 said:
K, I'm debating over pulling the trigger on one. Currently I have a Darkglass amp that I really like...mainly playing it through my NV412, 115 and new NV212T. It can sound a bit "cold" through the 212 and 115 (the 412 makes everything sound good).

I rarely use/need the all out assault of distortion that the DG amp can provide. My question is can the B Amp do a nice soft clip purr of a slightly pushed tube amp? That's what gets me going.
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Heck yeah, that's exactly what I have it do about half the time. About 50% of my calls require a traditional sound, and my target is something around what I get with my Sadowsky tube amp when I crank it just a bit. It definitely gets into that neighborhood if you like.

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husky123 said:
K, I'm debating over pulling the trigger on one. Currently I have a Darkglass amp that I really like...mainly playing it through my NV412, 115 and new NV212T. It can sound a bit "cold" through the 212 and 115 (the 412 makes everything sound good).

I rarely use/need the all out assault of distortion that the DG amp can provide. My question is can the B Amp do a nice soft clip purr of a slightly pushed tube amp? That's what gets me going.
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If Tom (Bowlus) sais it, I think you can take it to the bank !!!!
 
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#883
rockinbilly said:
Hey all you TBers waiting on the Bergantino Bamp gig bag, UPS just delivered mine, the wait is over!!!!!
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Not that I'm disappointed about receiving the Bamp bag, but when I got an email saying UPS was going to deliver a package from Bergantino today, I mistakenly thought it was going to be one of the 2 Reference 112 cabs I ordered.
But all is good, Michael from Shome music has one being delivered to me tomorrow, and the second cab should be shipped from Bergantino soon !!!!!!! Now COME ON DINGWALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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husky123 said:
K, I'm debating over pulling the trigger on one. Currently I have a Darkglass amp that I really like...mainly playing it through my NV412, 115 and new NV212T. It can sound a bit "cold" through the 212 and 115 (the 412 makes everything sound good).

I rarely use/need the all out assault of distortion that the DG amp can provide. My question is can the B Amp do a nice soft clip purr of a slightly pushed tube amp? That's what gets me going.
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Jim has graciously provided us with 3 different levels of distortion:
1) Overdrive - this is the most mild, and it's what you would probably want to use in this scenario. Just a little crunch, but still retains a solid bottom.
2) Distortion - this will give you even more dirt
3) Fuzz - this is over-the-top distortion for when you just have to have it. This is lots of fun to mess around with, but I doubt I'd ever actually use it given the music I play (blues, old school R&B, classic and southern rock). YMMV
 
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#885
kjones said:
Heck yeah, that's exactly what I have it do about half the time. About 50% of my calls require a traditional sound, and my target is something around what I get with my Sadowsky tube amp when I crank it just a bit. It definitely gets into that neighborhood if you like.

Want to PM me?
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Mostly I like the Bamp clean with that rounded bass. I've only used a bit of the Overdrive for some material. I was able to a achieve what felt like a mid-cranked tube amp without going into the Distortion or Fuzz mode and would probably never personally use those 2 modes; possibly for a studio special tune but not live.
 
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#887
rockinbilly said:
Not that I'm disappointed about receiving the Bamp bag, but when I got an email saying UPS was going to deliver a package from Bergantino today, I mistakenly thought it was going to be one of the 2 Reference 112 cabs I ordered.
But all is good, Michael from Shome music has one being delivered to me tomorrow, and the second cab should be shipped from Bergantino soon !!!!!!! Now COME ON DINGWALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry to have you expecting a cab but instead getting a bag. But look at it this way, you can get excited all over again for tomorrow.
 
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#888
Here's a dumb question for the group. I've been immersed in catching up abou this head...what has taken me so long?

So, I understand about the speaker profiling the B amp can do...very cool. I currently have 3 Bergs, all NVs (115, 212T and 412). So with the correct profile loaded, the B amp will give me a "flat" response. Will the B amp sound the same through all the cabs or will the cabs still impart their flavor on my tone? Meaning will the B amp sound different through my 3 NV cabs? I know they will "feel" different due to the amount of air/energy being pushed but wondering about tone. Thanks for any insight fellas.
 
#889
husky123 said:
Here's a dumb question for the group. I've been immersed in catching up abou this head...what has taken me so long?

So, I understand about the speaker profiling the B amp can do...very cool. I currently have 3 Bergs, all NVs (115, 212T and 412). So with the correct profile loaded, the B amp will give me a "flat" response. Will the B amp sound the same through all the cabs or will the cabs still impart their flavor on my tone? Meaning will the B amp sound different through my 3 NV cabs? I know they will "feel" different due to the amount of air/energy being pushed but wondering about tone. Thanks for any insight fellas.
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That's what I thought too at first, but if I have understood this correctly, what the profiles do is smoothen each cab's inherent response curve. For example it won't give you low lows in a sealed cab, it will just smoothen out the peaks etc. So it should still sound more or less like the given cab without the profile, just smoother/fuller. But that's just what I understood from reading about it, others with actual experience should correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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#891
husky123 said:
Here's a dumb question for the group. I've been immersed in catching up abou this head...what has taken me so long?

So, I understand about the speaker profiling the B amp can do...very cool. I currently have 3 Bergs, all NVs (115, 212T and 412). So with the correct profile loaded, the B amp will give me a "flat" response. Will the B amp sound the same through all the cabs or will the cabs still impart their flavor on my tone? Meaning will the B amp sound different through my 3 NV cabs? I know they will "feel" different due to the amount of air/energy being pushed but wondering about tone. Thanks for any insight fellas.
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I have played/gigged through a lot of systems which are supposed to be "flat" or super accurate - including the earlier Berg IP series, of which I am still a huge fan. The B|Amp with the appropriate profile is pretty close to the tone/performance of the IP cabs, though I believe the IP's may have been a bit more aggressively DSP'd. Whether it is an IP rig or the B|Amp with the appropriate cab(s) and profile loaded, you will likely encounter a much more balanced, accurate tone, without any notable "peaks and valleys" in the frequency response. That being said, can you hear a difference between different Bergantino cabs when played with their designated profile? Most definitely, yes. Some will be a lot closer than others, but even when putting out a pretty darned flat signal, the different enclosures all have their own unique way of "delivering" the sound. The biggest differences will be between sealed versus ported cabs, and cabs with tweeters versus those without. But even the IP212 and IP310, which measure out quite close to each other, and which employ very similar design elements, have their own unique "delivery." FWIW, though, I would say that those to cabs (the IP212 and IP310) probably sounded closer to each other than any other IP or profile comparison I have done.
 
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husky123 said:
Here's a dumb question for the group. I've been immersed in catching up abou this head...what has taken me so long?

So, I understand about the speaker profiling the B amp can do...very cool. I currently have 3 Bergs, all NVs (115, 212T and 412). So with the correct profile loaded, the B amp will give me a "flat" response. Will the B amp sound the same through all the cabs or will the cabs still impart their flavor on my tone? Meaning will the B amp sound different through my 3 NV cabs? I know they will "feel" different due to the amount of air/energy being pushed but wondering about tone. Thanks for any insight fellas.
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Just to add to Tom B's typically outstanding response, I believe that Jim has actually commented on the goal of the speaker profiles somewhere in this thread or the main Bergantino thread; to the effect that the profiles are NOT intended to get the cabs to sound like each other; but, rather to get each cab to be as optimally even as possible.

I still use AE212's, and I had exactly the same question because I was trying to understand if the profiles would make the AE sound like a CN and/or HD, HDN etc. Not the case. The right way to think about the profiles is that they are intended to get the cabs to be as close as possible to the original design goals. If that makes sense. In the case of the AE212, the difference with and without profiling is somewhat subtle. I gather that it is a bit more pronounced with some of the other cabs. Just depends on the cab. In any case, you end up with an optimal response for your particular setup.

I suppose that's what Tom already stated; but, just saying a different way. FWIW.
 
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bucephylus said:
Just to add to Tom B's typically outstanding response, I believe that Jim has actually commented on the goal of the speaker profiles somewhere in this thread or the main Bergantino thread; to the effect that the profiles are NOT intended to get the cabs to sound like each other; but, rather to get each cab to be as optimally even as possible.

I still use AE212's, and I had exactly the same question because I was trying to understand if the profiles would make the AE sound like a CN and/or HD, HDN etc. Not the case. The right way to think about the profiles is that they are intended to get the cabs to be as close as possible to the original design goals. If that makes sense. In the case of the AE212, the difference with and without profiling is somewhat subtle. I gather that it is a bit more pronounced with some of the other cabs. Just depends on the cab. In any case, you end up with an optimal response for your particular setup.

I suppose that's what Tom already stated; but, just saying a different way. FWIW.
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Thank you both very much for the explanation...it makes perfect sense.
 
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husky123 said:
Here's a dumb question for the group. I've been immersed in catching up abou this head...what has taken me so long?

So, I understand about the speaker profiling the B amp can do...very cool. I currently have 3 Bergs, all NVs (115, 212T and 412). So with the correct profile loaded, the B amp will give me a "flat" response. Will the B amp sound the same through all the cabs or will the cabs still impart their flavor on my tone? Meaning will the B amp sound different through my 3 NV cabs? I know they will "feel" different due to the amount of air/energy being pushed but wondering about tone. Thanks for any insight fellas.
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I have tried the profile/non-profile setting through several of the Berg cabs and my ears tell me it doesn't change the inherent response/type of cab tonality but EQ's each cab as optimal. So we have a clean slate in which to adjust OUR tone versus having to compensate for the particular cab design inherent response before we can adjust for OUR tone.
 
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bebass said:
I have tried the profile/non-profile setting through several of the Berg cabs and my ears tell me it doesn't change the inherent response/type of cab tonality but EQ's each cab as optimal. So we have a clean slate in which to adjust OUR tone versus having to compensate for the particular cab design inherent response before we can adjust for OUR tone.
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This all makes perfect sense now.
 
#898
I've just been reading the manual for this amp (I do not own a B|Amp). One feature that looks intriguing is the Variable Feedback Filter. I have an acoustic bass guitar that can be prone to feedback in loud-ish environments, even with a sound hole cover. The VFBF, as they call it, allows you to presumably identify the specific note frequency, and dampen that specific frequency 6 or 12 db, IIRC. So if A is the note that gives you the most bloom and feedback, you can mitigate that. I believe you could do this for multiple notes if cutting the one doesn't fully do the job. This would seem to be far more useful than a typical notch filter (such as I have on the Fishman pre- on the ABG) because it is note-specific, and not just a little knob to twist and hope you hit the right spot.

Anyone have any direct experience using an acoustic-electric bass (upright, EUB, ABG) and this B|Amp feature?

I do wish there were some kind of profiles, or ways to create profiles, for other cabs besides the Bergantinos. Maybe a white noise generator to get a profile for the given room/acoustic environment/gear? Seems like this would be an awesome amp for Berg cab users, but that neat feature is useless to those that don't.
 
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