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Big Amps will come back one day!!!

It’s a good analogy.

Vinyl is “back” in the sense that there’s a non-dying but very small market for people who see superiority in that medium. It will never again be or approach being the standard medium for music reproduction but will stick around as a hobby item for people willing to trade the inconvenience of using it against their preference for the sound.

Just like big amps.
 
There are plenty of muscle cars being produced by US auto manufacturers. Not to mention high powered (V10 F150 Ford) oversized pickups and SUVs like the Cadillac Escalade. American consumers and manufacturers are pursuing the consumption of fossil fuels at an increasing rate, not decreasing.
Except that the evolving ICE technology makes them much lighter, more efficient (and powerful) than their forefathers of the past age.

This is no different than the evolution to class D and lighter weight speakers.
 
It’s a good analogy.

Vinyl is “back” in the sense that there’s a non-dying but very small market for people who see superiority in that medium. It will never again be or approach being the standard medium for music reproduction but will stick around as a hobby item for people willing to trade the inconvenience of using it against their preference for the sound.

Just like big amps.
I think that today's love of vinyl is, for the most part, driven by pure nostalgia more than anything else, and that's just fine. I doubt that anywhere near the majority of people who are diehard into vinyl these days could reliably tell the difference in a blind test between vinyl and digital through the same amp and speakers.

I think that there's a bit more than just nostalgia regarding the yearning for the bygone days of gargantuan stage rigs, but not that much more. I think that the combination of nostalgia and the visual component carry a lot more weight (pun intended) than the sound, whether people want to admit it or not. As far as "feel" goes, I don't think anyone would argue that even an SVT through a small efficient cabinet is really going to feel like an 810 cabinet or two behind them on a stage. It's simply not. I doubt though, that many people could reliably tell the difference between a really good SVT digital model vs. a real SVT (both driving equal power) through those same cabs. A few maybe, but most could not.
 
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It's nostalgia. I grew up in the 80's. I had posters and magazine pages of bands with huge backline. These days, many concerts are done with no or very little backline gear. That will be "nostalgic" for kids growing up now.

I'm torn. My band is DI/IEM/Silent Stage - even e-drums. It makes load in and sound checks so easy. We barely do them. My IEM mix rarely changes. It look so clean on stage. We can play at any volume as long as it covers the click of sticks on pads.

Yet....sometimes after seeing a tour that uses backline, I think it would be kind of cool. But then I put my Nano+ board in a bag, throw my bass on my back and walk out to my car.
 
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I think that today's love of vinyl is, for the most part, driven by pure nostalgia more than anything else, and that's just fine. I doubt that anywhere near the majority of people who are diehard into vinyl these days could reliably tell the difference in a blind test between vinyl and digital through the same amp and speakers.

I think that there's a bit more than just nostalgia regarding the yearning for the bygone days of gargantuan stage rigs, not that much more. I think that the combination of nostalgia and the visual component carry a lot more weight (pun intended) than the sound, whether people want to admit it or not. As far as "feel" goes, I don't think anyone would argue that even an SVT through a small efficient cabinet is going to feel like an 810 cabinet or two behind them on a stage. I doubt though, that many people could reliably tell the difference between a really good SVT digital model vs. a real SVT (both driving equal power) through those same cabs. A few maybe, but most could not.
I agree to most of that, except the airflow on your back, and perception of tone coming from the cab is compromised when the cones are below your knees.
Using an elevated cab solves that issue, but removes the physical coupling with the stage, which is a double edged sword.
It can remove boom, but may require eq to replace the low frequencies lost by the decoupling.

having a cab connected to the stage surface enhances the tactile feedback through your feet, and bone conduction to your ears.

I solved this conundrum by using a vertical aligned 410 cab in the past.
 
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Yet....sometimes after seeing a tour that uses backline, I think it would be kind of cool. But then I put my Nano+ board in a bag, throw my bass on my back and walk out to my car.

I'm doing what you are doing. Pedaltrain Nano in its soft case, bass in the gig bag, that's it.

I have never felt like I lacked anything. I have a nice amp at home because it's fun and I don't want to mess with headphones all the time, but what I am doing live works great.

This is why I don't think Mills and Zoomers will ever care about 'Big Iron'. Not having the nostalgic feelings, it's hard to be convinced why I should go for a rig I need a truck or a van to move because it'd be cooler in some intangible way.
 
So far, zero interest in the heavy cabinets in post #241.

That's $100/cabinet, similar to a Fearless F115 yet heavier, more "old school". That's a giveaway price, yet absolutely no interest. At some point, like other essentially obsolete products, they will get stripped down for scrap and then head to the chipper.

This reinforces why it's usually a ridiculous idea to recreate a very old design, the market has evolved beyond yet the nostalgia itself has not.
 
…..filled from the oversupply of large, heavy used gear, usually for less that 25 cents on the dollar.

If you wouldn’t mind, please direct me to where I can find these pieces of old gear, that are being sold at cheap prices.

I wouldn’t mind finding another lead sled Crest power amp.

I’ve also heard of SVT heads being sold at heavily reduced prices, but I haven’t stumbled across any of them.
 
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I know Im in the minority, but I do think big amps will become fashionable again one day…..Thought?

For me, the big heavy stuff hasn’t become unfashionable. I do own some Class D amplifiers, and they’re awesome, especially when I need to move them. But I still own some big speaker cabinets and a heavy, lead sled power amp. IMO my heavy gear still sounds incredible.

I still would like to buy an all-tube bass head, like an Ampeg SVT. And an Ampeg 810E cabinet. I love the sound, and especially how it feels having an SVT stack behind me.
 
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If you wouldn’t mind, please direct me to where I can find these pieces of old gear, that are being sold at cheap prices.

I posted in post #241 some older, heavy pro speaker cabinets for <10 cents on the dollar, you are more than welcome to acquire them.
 
There are plenty of muscle cars being produced by US auto manufacturers. Not to mention high powered (V10 F150 Ford) oversized pickups and SUVs like the Cadillac Escalade. American consumers and manufacturers are pursuing the consumption of fossil fuels at an increasing rate, not decreasing.

Well, just to wrap some context around that, the muscle cars are "halo" products intended for a niche customer audience. The 2024 Corvette starts at $68,000 USD and with a few trim options it can easily hit over $100,000 with tax and fees.

The Camaro is relatively affordable, but where are you actually going to be able to drive it at its top speed? Certainly not shuttling from home to work and ferrying the kids to and from school...same for the Mustang and similar production sports cars. They aren't really practical, they're wish fulfilment. They don't make up the majority of what automakers sell.

What have been selling in greater numbers than anything else in the past 10-12 years are fuel-inefficient SUVs and "light trucks" (read: oversized trucks), partly due to the perceived safety "arms race." It's come to the point where some makers have all but abandoned sedans and the compact segment altogether.

Car & Driver listed the top 5 vehicles sold in the US last year as:
  1. Ford F150 (a staggering 750,000 of them!)
  2. Chevy Silverado (543,000!)
  3. Dodge Ram (443,000!)
  4. Toyota RAV4 (434,000!)
  5. Tesla Model Y (estimated 385,900)
So that's three massive pickup trucks and two SUVs. The F150 has been at or near the top spot for nearly two decades now. In 1990, the top seller was the Honda Accord.

As others alluded to, regulations and climate accord agreements are accelerating the rapid phase-out of ICE cars. Sure, existing cars will still be on the road for as long as they're running (or as long as oil is subsidized...), but the change is happening now.

New ICE car sales will be banned in Norway starting next year; in the EU generally by 2035, with many member states setting 2030 as their target. The US has no law nationally, but California, which effectively leads the country due to its buying power, has ruled that 35% of new vehicles sold must be zero-emission by 2026, ramping up in phases over the following decade until it's 100% by 2035. The Biden administration has also issued an EO that 100% of new government-purchased light-duty vehicles need to be EVs by 2027, and all vehicles by 2035.

I note all this because there are some contrasts and parallels. Yeah, there's a certain slice of the market that needs or wants "big iron" bass amp stacks, or uses them because "it's expected". But I don't think it's going to be the mainstream for much longer.

To me, the switch to Class D amps, pedalboard preamps, going ampless and using IEMs isn't just like switching from ICE to EV cars, it's like switching from cars to trains.

Instead of lugging your two- to five-ton metal box around, usually just to carry yourself, you use common infrastructure that runs much, much faster, without stops and traffic, and uses way less energy per capita.

As a player, you bring a couple of gig bags, plug into the house PA and that's it! This also presumes that venues get on board with this, vs assuming an act is bringing 10 tons of gear in multiple 18-wheelers; just like cities have started to move away from car-centric planning and car dependency.

I think there's another parallel, which is that making things lighter, smaller and more reliable means less trash and e-waste. The more we can design gear to last, be easily repaired and dismantled for recycling, the better.
 
Auditioning for an excellent band Tuesday. This is my rig no matter where why or what.. and if its outside the SVT & fridge come out. Its easy.. its consistent & its always in the mix where it belongs.
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It’s a good analogy.

Vinyl is “back” in the sense that there’s a non-dying but very small market for people who see superiority in that medium. It will never again be or approach being the standard medium for music reproduction but will stick around as a hobby item for people willing to trade the inconvenience of using it against their preference for the sound.

Just like big amps.
I liked the line, “see superiority” in vinyl.

Big amps will be around as long as they serve a function and sell.
 
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I like the good old days as much as anyone else and have fond memories of things from the middle and latter part of the last century...I even own some of that cool (for the time) stuff. However, I think big amps will only make a comeback if for some bizarre reason the current technology amps are no longer available or become prohibitively expensive. IMO the odds of that happening are about the same as me being hit by a meteor while typing this post.
 
It's nostalgia. I grew up in the 80's. I had posters and magazine pages of bands with huge backline. These days, many concerts are done with no or very little backline gear. That will be "nostalgic" for kids growing up now.

I'm torn. My band is DI/IEM/Silent Stage - even e-drums. It makes load in and sound checks so easy. We barely do them. My IEM mix rarely changes. It look so clean on stage. We can play at any volume as long as it covers the click of sticks on pads.

Yet....sometimes after seeing a tour that uses backline, I think it would be kind of cool. But then I put my Nano+ board in a bag, throw my bass on my back and walk out to my car.
I think there will always be a need for amps/cabs in some situations. You do a silent stage with your band and that’s great. But, there will always be a gig or rehearsal that requires an amp.
 
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I think there will always be a need for amps/cabs in some situations. You do a silent stage with your band and that’s great. But, there will always be a gig or rehearsal that requires an amp.
Which is why I keep my combo for jazz gigs and things like that. It it isn’t a big rig. Plenty loud, but small.