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#783
You can only imagine how excited I was having bought an Ashdown MAG410 for $1200 to find them being made in China a couple of years later and priced at $600. I feel manuafacturers should make the new manufactured models different. By doing this, masking them look exactly the same, and collapsing my S/H value, you pretty much tell me what you think of me as a customer.

A SUCKER!!
 
#784
Give me a number! :hyper:

Selfmade 2*15", 79lb (Kappalite 3015):

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Custom 4*12" (Fostex speakers) by Sieben Audio Design, 88lb:

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Never daisy-chained the two cabs, though.
 
#785
Calaverasgrande said:
So its almost as loud as 300 watts of tube amp.
:smug:
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I've heard this before, but I've never experienced or seen it.
Tactician said:
You can only imagine how excited I was having bought an Ashdown MAG410 for $1200 to find them being made in China a couple of years later and priced at $600. I feel manuafacturers should make the new manufactured models different. By doing this, masking them look exactly the same, and collapsing my S/H value, you pretty much tell me what you think of me as a customer.

A SUCKER!!
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Wow.

Energy said:
Give me a number! :hyper:

Selfmade 2*15", 79lb (Kappalite 3015):

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Custom 4*12" (Fostex speakers) by Sieben Audio Design, 88lb:

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Never daisy-chained the two cabs, though.
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NICE!
 
#786
He's jealous cause he has a small one.....ha ha

Tactician said:
Ha! I love this thread. Sooo macho.

You guys do realise life has moved on since 1964 when I started and you can buy more powerful speaker chassis's? The reason we had 4x12 and 8x12 (Yes I was there in the little Marshall shop with the first guys who used those cabs) the reason we used so many spekaers is that they only handled 25 watts and had almost no cone excusion you could see. So 8x12" gave you 200 watts but probably only about 50 watts that were useable before distortion and clipping set in. If you got one of those 4x12s and put it alongside one of my current 3015 loaded cabs - the 3015 would blow it away by a huge margin.

Admit it guys these big cabs are about stage dressing. (I even went to a gig a couple of years ago where most of the cabs the organiser had stacked up had no drivers in them at all - it was just to make it look like a festival gig! Ha!! That's absolutely true - couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the backs of the cabs!!)

With powerful drivers and cheap Asian built power amps, big is on the way out. Get some life size prints of stacks made up and pin them to the stage wall - much more transportable.

Went to an Arena gig last year where there were no amps on the backline, no foldback to be seen - everything went through the ariel PA cabs. Guess the guys had in ear monitors. But no stage amp cabs at all. Just huge lighting rig (250 computer controlled swivle spots) with PA cabs like Makie 450s, everywhere up high. All eyes on the star - not where are the stacks?
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#788
Calaverasgrande said:
So its almost as loud as 300 watts of tube amp.
:smug:
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:smug:I say so definitely! I know the huge debate between transistors and tubes,tubes are transistors by the way, but the fact is, your speakers still see only the wattage your amp puts out and doesn't know the difference between tubes and solid state.

Tubes can be driven harder than transistors and are more forgiving at extreme levels, we all know this, but what in terms in DB gain are you getting from excessive drive levels because you have a tube amp? Another fact is it takes twice the power level to increase the DB gain by 3 times regardless if it is a tube amp or solid state.

Transistors can be cleaner and tighter sounding because among other things more of it's output wattage isn't wasted by excessive harmonics that's above your hearing range anyway. That's why I use the best of both worlds, a tube preamp into a solid state power amp.:smug:

I guess the only way to really find out is to bring your tube amp over and we can see who can out do the other!:p
 
#789
Man a lot of big bad cabs! And a lot of new members! Remember the more pics the merrier!! And if you didn't have a pic right now, please post one as soon as you can so we can drool over your 'Big Cab!' :cool:

New members:

#177 - MarshallLaw
#178 - Stick_Player
#179 - Calaverasgrande
#180 - Bobby Marshall
#181 - fourstringburn
#182 - PJMiDi
#183 - Energy
 
#791
fourstringburn said:
:smug:I say so definitely! I know the huge debate between transistors and tubes,tubes are transistors by the way, but the fact is, your speakers still see only the wattage your amp puts out and doesn't know the difference between tubes and solid state.

Tubes can be driven harder than transistors and are more forgiving at extreme levels, we all know this, but what in terms in DB gain are you getting from excessive drive levels because you have a tube amp? Another fact is it takes twice the power level to increase the DB gain by 3 times regardless if it is a tube amp or solid state.

Transistors can be cleaner and tighter sounding because among other things more of it's output wattage isn't wasted by excessive harmonics that's above your hearing range anyway. That's why I use the best of both worlds, a tube preamp into a solid state power amp.:smug:

I guess the only way to really find out is to bring your tube amp over and we can see who can out do the other!:p
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I have no idea what you are talking about. watts wasted by excessive harmonics? That is silly. As you go up in frequency it takes less and less power to produce the same acoustic output. So a a PA tweeter sees about 50 watts, a midrange about 200, and the woofer about 600 watts.
So excessive harmonics (being higher in frequency than the fundemental) really dont cut into your amps available wattage.
Solid state amps are fine, but you need many more watts to get equivalent loudness. I use to run a QSC 1200 watt amp and move up to a Mesa boogie 400, which produces between 180 and 300 watts depending on tubes and bias.
The boogie is hands down louder.
It does clean very well too!
As far as hybrid amps sounding like tube amps, they dont. Quite a lot of tube sound is in the output transformer. Then there is also the different approach to EQ design you see in tube amps vs solid state. I have yet to see a so called tube/solid state hybrid that is anything more than a tube gain stage sandwiched between solidstate input stage and solidstate eq. Maybe ampeg makes a hybrid with tube eq?
Anyway, if you are happy with your ampis all that matters. Be content knowing that you dont have to buy replacement transistors every other year!
(and no tubes are not transistors).
peace
 
#792
Calaverasgrande said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. watts wasted by excessive harmonics? That is silly. As you go up in frequency it takes less and less power to produce the same acoustic output. So a a PA tweeter sees about 50 watts, a midrange about 200, and the woofer about 600 watts.
So excessive harmonics (being higher in frequency than the fundemental) really dont cut into your amps available wattage.
Solid state amps are fine, but you need many more watts to get equivalent loudness. I use to run a QSC 1200 watt amp and move up to a Mesa boogie 400, which produces between 180 and 300 watts depending on tubes and bias.
The boogie is hands down louder.
It does clean very well too!
As far as hybrid amps sounding like tube amps, they dont. Quite a lot of tube sound is in the output transformer. Then there is also the different approach to EQ design you see in tube amps vs solid state. I have yet to see a so called tube/solid state hybrid that is anything more than a tube gain stage sandwiched between solidstate input stage and solidstate eq. Maybe ampeg makes a hybrid with tube eq?
Anyway, if you are happy with your ampis all that matters. Be content knowing that you dont have to buy replacement transistors every other year!
(and no tubes are not transistors).
peace
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It's all in your head and the marketing schemes which MADE YOU SPEND YOUR HARD EARN MONEY WHICH is louder. It takes so much watts to put out so many decibels, regardless of tubes or solid state transistors, FACT BUDDY, LOOK IT UP! :p

As for which sounds better, that's up to personal preference that shouldn't be debated. Here is some semantics for you. I like German beers, others like American beers or micro brewery's, while some don't like it at all. neither is right or wrong, it's just personal preference!:D

Yes old technology tubes are a transistors " tube transistors" . Here is the first transistor made 180px-Replica-of-first-transistor.jpg different from modern day bi-polar or mosfet etc.
 
#794
can i join the club? Just got my brand spanking new eden 215XLT, on closeout and with a closeout price. woot. Havent seen many edens in this thread. Its 4 ohms, so i can run my eden nemesis 650 head and just the 215 (my plan for when playing out) and it receives 440 watts. Or like i have it set up in my house a 2 ohm load and 650 watts split up amongst all the speakers. what, what, did you say something, i cant hear anything. or at least thats will happen to my ears if i turn it up past like 1/4 volume. I live in the middle of nowwhere on 3 acres. At 1/2 volume i am afraid the drywall and wood paneling in my house will vibrate off and chunks of the ceiling may fall down. I worry the very far away neighbors may complain. It is so loud that there are so many rattles in the house i cant concentrate on my own sound. This is standing about 20 feet away which is the length of my cable and as far away from it as i can get. I think i will practice with the volume between off and 1/4. ha ha. Is this too much for a practice rig? All signs point to HELL NO!!!
 

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#795
I'm loving the 2x15! I think one of those will be my next big cab purchase. Maybe a NV215 if I can find one? Who knows what'll pop up.

How does the sound compare to the 1x15 apart from just being louder?
 
#799
Nigel Rahmshard said:
Just got my brand spanking new eden 215XLT, on closeout and with a closeout price. woot.

It is so loud that there are so many rattles in the house i cant concentrate on my own sound. This is standing about 20 feet away which is the length of my cable and as far away from it as i can get. I think i will practice with the volume between off and 1/4. ha ha. Is this too much for a practice rig? All signs point to HELL NO!!!
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HAHA, I have this problem at rehearsals in the drummer's basement, even if I just use my NV215. We've got foam laying around that we stuff between cabinet doors and anywhere we can isolate a vibrating noise maker, LOL.
 
#800
I don't quite get it? My main rig wouldn't cut it, it would be too small?

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But my practice rig would qualify?

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Simply put I'd rather carry that Garnet 2x15 over that ampeg 4x10 anyday.


Before I go tearing the Garnet open, would anyone know what watts it would be, I know its 8 ohm and thats about all.

And if this doesn't make me a member, I am negotiating a deal on a Peavey 1820 as we speak. So one way or another may I have banned member #2?
 
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