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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

Thanks, guys.

You know, I was thinking about what got me into the Big E cabs in the first place. There is the story I've recounted a few times of how I heard a prototype 2x8" at Mike's and was enamored with the tone (I remember these growling mids), the impact, and the presentation and feel of the sound, which reminded me of playing an acoustic instrument. Before that, and more fundamentally, though, I was just frustrated with not hearing myself clearly on stage. That was it. I'm not saying that these cabs are the only way to do that, but I can say that my 112 has made a huge difference in my ability to do that clearly and consistently. Playing it the other night, after playing out on a few other rigs at jams, that was driven home. Didn't matter where I was on stage or what I was doing, I could hear myself clearly -- you don't realize what a difference this makes in your relaxation while playing and your enjoyment of the gig until you *can't* hear yourself clearly. The 112, incidentally, might be the best cab I've played for hearing yourself when you're right on top of it -- the tallish height and upward firing mids and tweeter, I think, contribute to that.

I haven't had the 46 out yet, but soon, I think. Right now, I have my computer hooked up to the aux input of my little KXB 500 head (only head I have with that feature) and have been playing along with it through the 46 to learn a bunch of tunes for a gig. (Lots to learn in not much time with too much else to do -- and most of the tunes I'll have to transpose -- but that's a different story.) For the sound/feel I go for with my Fender, the Flex and the 112 are a bit more "me" (though, again, I haven't played the 46 with a group, yet, which could change my thinking), but the 46 without question excels the most at playing back recorded music. Even with the summed-mono signal coming through the KXB and the slightly mid-hot voicing of my particular 46, I'm surprised at how clear everything is and how much depth I can hear in the recordings. I don't think the Flex or 112 would do as well with recorded music (I know that the 112 won't). I even listened to the clips of the other cabs, just now, through the 46, and the character of each comes through. The Flex might be the most chameleon-like in its ability to change cab voicings according to room and personal preference, but the 46 so far seems the most "blank canvas" of the three (chameleon-like in its own way), while the Flex has (to me) the strongest voice and the 112 sits in the middle. That's a simplification -- they don't just sit on a spectrum, left-to-right -- but I don't think it's entirely off-base.

Above ramblings subject to revision/expansion as warranted.
 
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Thanks again MarkA and Kesslari for your input.You are both way more advanced players than little old pocket player me, but I share your enthusiasm for these. I share MarkA's enthusiasm for the 46, but dig all 3 I have tried. I played the room Kesslari is referencing with a 48 (overkill) and a 46 ,( perfect for moderate volume blues in a small club) . Interestingly I loaned out my 210 flex to an interested local guy who plays in a few different bands, and he took it home and AB'd it with his personally modified other brand boutique manufacturer cabs. He told me he took the neodymium woofers out of those brands replaced em with traditional magnet speakers and he likes those better than the 210 flex for lows and of course what the boutique cabs came with. He suggested that may be the reason I like my 48 so much? I recall Bill Fitzmaurice saying you can't hear the difference between neo and standard magnet speakers, and the mags were just doing their job with inaudible difference. Don't want to start a derail, but any comment on this? Back to your regularly scheduled program...
 
Thanks again MarkA and Kesslari for your input.You are both way more advanced players than little old pocket player me, but I share your enthusiasm for these. I share MarkA's enthusiasm for the 46, but dig all 3 I have tried. I played the room Kesslari is referencing with a 48 (overkill) and a 46 ,( perfect for moderate volume blues in a small club) . Interestingly I loaned out my 210 flex to an interested local guy who plays in a few different bands, and he took it home and AB'd it with his personally modified other brand boutique manufacturer cabs. He told me he took the neodymium woofers out of those brands replaced em with traditional magnet speakers and he likes those better than the 210 flex for lows and of course what the boutique cabs came with. He suggested that may be the reason I like my 48 so much? I recall Bill Fitzmaurice saying you can't hear the difference between neo and standard magnet speakers, and the mags were just doing their job with inaudible difference. Don't want to start a derail, but any comment on this? Back to your regularly scheduled program...
It might be that there are differences aside from the magnets in the speakers your friend swapped out? Maybe not. I know that magnets make audible differences in pickups (I've listened to my brother swap them in and out of guitar pickups), and people on here used to talk about "neo honk" when neo speakers were still a relatively new thing, but that could be influenced by a slew of other factors.

I think the woofers in the 46 use ceramic magnets and those in the 18 Sound 112 and the Flex use neos, for what that's worth.
 
I stopped by Mike's on Friday to pick up his bass for some repairs and got to hear an MAS 112 with a new speaker custom made for Mike. This is as exciting as hearing the Big E speakers for the first time. The upper mids could possibly be the clearest of all the cabs. It has a similar sound to the 4x5, which is one of my favorite sounds ever, but huge and loud. This new cab seems to be as efficient as the LPT and goes deeper than than the 18sound or the Faital. It probably won't take as much power as those two, but will probably get as loud with half the power. We compared it to a 4x6 with the sub and the 4x6 was slightly puncher in the low mids, but I preferred the upper mids of the 112. We boosted the low mids on Mike's Demeter and it was really close. Post coming up on new MAS 109.
 
Was this new speaker 8 ohm? Now you have me wondering how it would pair with an 18sound version. While providing a different tonal palette solo.

I stopped by Mike's on Friday to pick up his bass for some repairs and got to hear an MAS 112 with a new speaker custom made for Mike. This is as exciting as hearing the Big E speakers for the first time. The upper mids could possibly be the clearest of all the cabs. It has a similar sound to the 4x5, which is one of my favorite sounds ever, but huge and loud. This new cab seems to be as efficient as the LPT and goes deeper than than the 18sound or the Faital. It probably won't take as much power as those two, but will probably get as loud with half the power. We compared it to a 4x6 with the sub and the 4x6 was slightly puncher in the low mids, but I preferred the upper mids of the 112. We boosted the low mids on Mike's Demeter and it was really close. Post coming up on new MAS 109.
 
I checked with the Master and it appears that the new 112 will be available eventually in both 8 and 4 ohms if that's what people want. I would think these would be more often used as a stand alone cab, so the 4 would be more useful. Anyone else have an opinion? The new MAS 109 with the custom 10 will probably come with an 8 ohm speaker so you will have the option of using it as a sub or stand alone. It will handle about twice the power of the MA 109, but it's very efficient and gets real loud without a lot of power. This thing seems to me to get at least as loud as a really good 2x10, but goes much deeper. I would think you be able to carry most bars and small clubs with one of these without pa support. It also sounds amazing and does all the Big E magic tricks. We also tried Mike's Shaw 150 watt tube amp through the 112 and it got really loud and clean and sounded so good it made you want to cry.