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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

Le Fay makes some fanned fret basses, I haven't tried any, but they're out there (a few other luthiers as well).
I don't think Lakland makes 6 string basses, but their 5's are mostly 35" and have a neck that doesn't feel very different from most 34" basses that I've played.
I really don't like to play on any B strings up above about the 6th fret, maybe it just the strings that I've played.
Just sounds too tonally different than the same notes on the E string.
The fanned-fret bass I played was in fact a five-string LeFay, at Luthier's Access Group. Played a few other LeFay basses there, all pretty cool. The Lefay sixer was something like a 35.4" (90 cm) scale, I think, and pretty killer (felt bigger than 34", but not as much bigger as I expected -- great ergonomics and fretwork). $$Out of my league$$ 'til I get drafted, though. There were one or two interesting candidates at Chicago Music Exchange and Bass Club Chicago, too.

B-strings... I might be unrealistic, but I want to be able to play them up past the 12th fret. I at least want them sounding mostly-decent up to the 10th or 12th fret. I mean, I use every fret on my E-string... just seems natural, right? Me and Don Quixote, dreaming the impossible dream. I know it's possible, though.

Speaking of B-strings, the MAS cabs (especially that 46 -- it goes so low, so clearly) are their friend and enemy. The lowest notes are better supported -- you'll likely find that your B-string isn't so much weaker/muddier than your E as you thought. But it will expose any wonkiness that might have been partially hidden before. For the moment, though, B-strings and I are -- well, I'm back to playing four strings (which is what I've mostly done and am most comfortable doing) and looking...
 
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Hey Mark, I would highly recommend trying a Dingwall no matter what. Sheldon's basses are so well engineered. There isn't any aspect of his basses that isn't well thought out and engineered. They are just amazing instruments. There are other fanned fret basses out there, but Sheldon is the original pioneer in the field.

Check out his website at Dingwall Guitars There is a lot of great explanation of the details in his designs.

@BuffaloBob4343, thank you! I will look into that. Didn't realize that the G went down to 32".

There is a really neat fanned-fret P-bass on here, made by/for someone who played on the Lawrence Welk show -- it's not a Dingwall, but I think it's pretty cool. The fan only goes in one direction (toward the bridge -- straight nut). I've thought something like that could be cool/comfortable, though it would allow for less of a fan than fanning out the frets in both directions would.
 
Chicago Music Exchange and Bass Club Chicago, too.

I might be unrealistic, but I want to be able to play them up past the 12th fret. I at least want them sounding mostly-decent up to the 10th or 12th fret. I mean, I use every fret on my E-string... just seems natural, right? Me and Don Quixote, dreaming the impossible dream. .

Speaking of B-strings, the MAS cabs (especially that 46 -- it goes so low, so clearly) are their friend and enemy. The lowest notes are better supported -- you'll likely find that your B-string isn't so much weaker/muddier than your E as you thought. But it will expose any wonkiness that might have been partially hidden before. For the moment, though, B-strings and I are -- well, I'm back to playing four strings (which is what I've mostly done and am most comfortable doing) and looking...

Dude, this is no Don Quixote windmill! I play my Dingwall B strings well past the 12th fret regularly! No wonkyness, and I can say that with absolute guarantee through a Monique and an MAS112!

I have 4 Dingwalls. One is an early 90's pre-fire Voodoo prima, and it is my favorite. I also have a recent ABZ fiver and a recent 4 string Super P. I love his 4 strings as much as his fivers.

Trust me, what you want in a B string is attainable.
 
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Dude, this is no Don Quixote windmill! I play my Dingwall B strings well past the 12th fret regularly! No wonkyness, and I can say that with absolute guarantee through a Monique and an MAS112!

I have 4 Dingwalls. One is an early 90's pre-fire Voodoo prima, and it is my favorite. I also have a recent ABZ fiver and a recent 4 string Super P. I love his 4 strings as much as his fivers.

Trust me, what you want in a B string is attainable.
Okay, I give! Someday -- can't say where or when -- I will play a Dingwall. I am dubious about the comfort (for me!) of the big fan in the lower frets, but I'll give it a shot. I *have* played a few pretty good B-strings, but one on which you can play notes in the top octave and hold them without any of that ring-modulator wonkiness seems rare. Best one I ever played in that regard was on a friend's old STR that was clear up past the 20th fret. And that was just a straight 34" scale. I imagine that's fairly rare, even for STRs, though. A tight B that's good for popping down and hitting some quick notes in staccato grooving seems more attainable (you don't notice the wonkiness as much when you're holding the note for 1/4 second). When I was griping to my brother about the B-string thing and wondering if I was being unrealistically picky, he told me to hold out and keep looking. I guess I'll make like The Supremes and this guy until then...




EDIT: Here is the fanned-fret P-bass I mentioned before, a one-off by TBer @iiipopes : A Different Custom P-style Bass | TalkBass.com
 
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Here is a shot of my rig from this past weekend:

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I was very, very pleased with the performance of this setup. It was obviously an outdoor gig (and a very cool microbrewery) and even though I had a spare channel on the PA, I thought I'd give this rig a chance without going through the PA. As I suspected, it more than kept up with the PA, and had even better off-axis tone and balance. It filled a very big area, but was not obnoxiously loud anywhere, including right in front of it. The Demeter had a lot more headroom to give, BTW. Very impressed with this pairing.

Oh, and the Reverend Hellhound combo was my "rhythm guitar" rig, being fed by my Fishman Bass Fission pedal.
 
Here is a shot of my rig from this past weekend:

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I was very, very pleased with the performance of this setup. It was obviously an outdoor gig (and a very cool microbrewery) and even though I had a spare channel on the PA, I thought I'd give this rig a chance without going through the PA. As I suspected, it more than kept up with the PA, and had even better off-axis tone and balance. It filled a very big area, but was not obnoxiously loud anywhere, including right in front of it. The Demeter had a lot more headroom to give, BTW. Very impressed with this pairing.

Oh, and the Reverend Hellhound combo was my "rhythm guitar" rig, being fed by my Fishman Bass Fission pedal.
Looks good, Tom! When I had a 66 (older, two-way, and no sub back then) getting to stretch its legs outside was great - clean and present everywhere. I can only imagine that this was even better.

I was going to make a joke about the little amp being your rig, but you preemptively diffused that. First I'd heard of the Fishman Bass Fission -- I looked it up quick. How do you feel it sounds and tracks compared to a Micro Pog? I very rarely use effects, but the octave thing can be fun (up and down). That bit of lag always bugs me, though.
 
Looks good, Tom! When I had a 66 (older, two-way, and no sub back then) getting to stretch its legs outside was great - clean and present everywhere. I can only imagine that this was even better.

I was going to make a joke about the little amp being your rig, but you preemptively diffused that. First I'd heard of the Fishman Bass Fission -- I looked it up quick. How do you feel it sounds and tracks compared to a Micro Pog? I very rarely use effects, but the octave thing can be fun (up and down). That bit of lag always bugs me, though.

I have a POG and an Akai Uni-Bass, in addition to the Bass Fission, and I slightly prefer the Bass Fission to the Uni-Bass, and I slightly prefer the Uni-Bass to the POG (when it comes to copping a rhythm guitar tone). Though the POG can do things the other two cannot do. Invalid Link Removed. I will say that it works dramatically better when you use a separate guitar rig.
 
Did the Demeter drive both cabs? I think that combined load would be under 4 ohms and you might have overheating issues if pushed hard. (I have that same amp and a pair of MAS66 and am considering a pair of MAS110 subs.)

No, the sub 1x10 when combined with 66 is intended to still present a nominal 4-ohm load. That being said, I have not measured the impedance directly, myself. But I will say that I experienced no overheating problems with the Demeter, at all.
 
Just got back from gigging the 112 with both Monique and JGR's latest BoT prototype (sound guy was kind enough to hook up both D.I.s, so I could switch whenever I wanted to in a few seconds). They're different pres, but the 112 excelled with both, communicating the character of each clearly. The *manager of the club* came out afterward as I was packing up to see what I was playing through and said, "The bass sounded sick all night, just sick."

Speaking of, I'm beat and think I might be coming down with something, so good night!
 
I tried to post the below a couple of days ago, but couldn't get the clips to load, then.

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I had a few days last week with my brother at my folks' place, while they were away. I am currently in possession of a 210 Flex Mod, a MAS 112, and the 46 that Mike recently built me – not to mention JGR's most recent Box O' Tone prototype (gotta give that back, though). In the throes of summer's last heavy geek :'( and not knowing when another such confluence of time, opportunity to play/record into the wee hours, and excellent gear would come my way again, I documented what I could.

I have mixed feelings about posting this. (Though, since you're reading this, I've obviously gone ahead and done it anyway.) There are the self-conscious questions - Am I being a pest? Do these clips make me look fat? – and everyone knows that you can't entirely trust clips, anyway; the player, the instrument, and the way a recording is made all affect the result. Still, I made some clips of different preamps awhile back and folks seemed to find those useful. The aforementioned caveats applied there, of course, but as long as I set the levels reasonably and used the DI, recording technique didn't come much into play. Cabs are different – mic selection and mic placement need to be considered. I only have one mic (an Audio Technica AT 2035) and not a ton of experience with mic placement. So...


Notes:
  • The mic is generally 1-2 feet from the cab being recorded. I just moved it around until what was coming through the headphones sounded reasonably close to what I heard without them. Little changes in placement and angle made big changes in the recorded sound, but I got as close as I could.
  • The Box O' Tone (which I used for all the clips, without any EQ filters engaged) has a variable impedance control. I've been setting this between noon and 1:30 for a passive bass, but I was goofing around with it earlier and forgot it set quite low – 8:15 or so – which loads down the passive pickups and dulls their tone and attack a bit. I didn't realize this until I'd made all the recordings, though, so that, at least, is consistent from cab to cab. I still think it (the BoT) sounds good here, and that softer-edged, slightly-loaded-down sound might be something you'd want in certain situations.
  • A room recording made further back with something like a Zoom would have been a nice addition. I didn't do that.
  • The mic was moved for each cab, of course, but I recorded all the clips on one cab before moving on to the next, so mic position is consistent from clip to clip for a given cab.
  • Bass is my usual Fender reverse P/J. Further details on the Soundcloud page for the playlist if you want them.
  • To me, listening on headphones, the clips don't exactly capture the sound – let alone the feel - of standing in front of the cabs. Still, I hope that they're close enough to be useful in forming a rough idea of how they compare to each other and hearing what the switching options do. Bear in mind that I didn't use any EQ and these cabs all take EQ pretty well. Any weirdness in the recordings is solely my fault. For the sake of time and sanity, everything was recorded in one take (though I did remove some of the gaps where I was flipping switches).
  • The 46 and the Flex are recorded without the sub.


Clips:

C Major 7 arpeggio, both pickups, played through the 46, the 112, the Flex, then the Flex with the woofer out-of-phase with the mids ("voicing" switch). All switches (excepting the voicing/flipped phase at the end) in their default positions.





Little, semi-palm-muted riff I play around with sometimes - on the neck pickup, through the 46...





...through the Flex top...





...and through the 112. (There is a short glitch at the beginning of this recording.) Switches on the cabs in the default positions for all of these.





46, bridge pickup, chords and harmonics, playing with the switches in this order: 1-2)Tweeter on: mids normal, then mids hot. 3-4) Tweeter off: mids normal, then mids hot. (Note: Per my request, my cab is set up so that "normal" is "hot", and "hot" is "hotter", relative to a "normal" 46. I also asked for the switch on the tweeter.)





Same thing through the MAS 112: Tweeter on with mids normal, hot, then off. Tweeter off, with mids normal, hot, then off (woofer only), in that order.





Finally, through the Flex top, with one tweeter on and mids normal, hot, then “Dark” (pads them back and engages a light bulb circuit that adds compression as you push the cab), then with the tweeters off and the mids normal, hot, and “dark” in that order. Didn't do two tweeters (there is a second that you can engage) or the voicing/out-of-phase here, for the sake of time.





That's all!
-Mark
 
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Thanks. I try. Don't know when I'll be able to do something like that again, so I figured I'd get it down while I could. It's not like hearing the cabs in person -- especially with a group -- but I hope that it's useful (at least interesting!) to someone.
Thanks Mark! I can see why a lot of people go for the 46 and it's next of kin. Beautifully complex upper mids. Very sweet sounding.

But I have to say, I am still very happy with my choice of the MAS112, especially given that I do mainly rock, pop and some new country. Still seriously considering a second MAS112!

They are all great sounding variations of a great line of cabs. I really appreciate your doing this Mark!
 
Mark, always enjoy your posts and samples.
I was part of the house band for a jam night at a local bar - long, skinny room with the band playing width-wise. Oh, and a wider blob stuck on the end, for pool tables and such. Lousy set up.
The bass sounded great, and since I had a really good player sit in, I could wander around and marvel at how even the bass sounded everywhere in that weird, weird room.
These cabs - rock.
 
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