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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

Took the top half of the Flex210Mod up into the Sierras for a music retreat with my Zon fretless and a GB Shuttle 6.2 - playing with a mix of acoustic and electric instruments so no need for much volume. Lots and lots of playing, lots and lots of sounding effin' incredible. Full and rich and punchy.
It was a brilliant weekend, the music sounded great, and the bass sound supported all the music beautifully.
 
Saw the new 112 on the big e forum so I had to geek out and show y'all...
I want one of these too
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Nice kesslari! It's great when things come together like that and you get those special moments that remind us why we do it. My outdoor gig was great with the MAS 48 doing bass duty. After I was done sweating from load in set up, I started using the precision with La Bella 52-110's on the second set. The sound I have been emulating without nailing it prior, was in the house! (back yard). And it was dispersed like crazy with the MVW. Poor neighbors. But the host invited them all, so no one called the authorities. People were dancin up a storm, and the tip jar was the best yield yet to date. We have a drummer who has toured professionally with a big name rocker which helps too. Great time.
The MAS 46 was used for FOH, and sounded great. (vocals only). I was watching people dance to the bass and drum groove and smiling in my happy place. Sorry for the ramble.
 
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Yeah---that's your cab----

It's so nice to hear the positive gig experiences. It's all well and good when people are trying it out at home and make positive comments on various traits of the cabinets,. but if the gig experience is more enjoyable---damn the technical descriptions and measurements. I do not consider the degree to which someone enjoys the playing experience an abstraction. That's the measurement I actually go by in the end.

Just watched a cool documentary called "Happy". Very cool. Scientists are now starting a new field of study to measure and document what were previously considered abstractions---the quality and degrees of human happiness. A friend of mine from high school---he's now a professor of psychology at Harvard and that's his area of expertise and study---he's in the documentary as well as others on the cutting edge of this study.

The reason I'm mentioning this is that the feeling of satisfaction one feels on a gig actually the MOST concrete measurement of
the success of any gear.

When I reach that goalpost---I'm happy!
 
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Yeah---that's your cab----

It's so nice to hear the positive gig experiences. It's all well and good when people are trying it out at home and make positive comments on various traits of the cabinets,. but if the gig experience is more enjoyable---damn the technical descriptions and measurements. I do not consider the degree to which someone enjoys the playing experience an abstraction. That's the measurement I actually go by in the end.

Just watched a cool documentary called "Happy". Very cool. Scientists are now starting a new field of study to measure and document what were previously considered abstractions---the quality and degrees of human happiness. A friend of mine from high school---he's now a professor of psychology at Harvard and that's his area of expertise and study---he's in the documentary as well as others on the cutting edge of this study.

The reason I'm mentioning this is that the feeling of satisfaction one feels on a gig actually the MOST concrete measurement of
the success of any gear.

When I reach that goalpost---I'm happy!

Holy cow - a sudden occurrence of common sense! (Well, I suppose if it was common we'd find a lot more of it.)

This is exactly what I was referring to in the last thread when I mentioned walking around the pond behind my office building. Knowing why the sky is blue doesn't contribute to my enjoyment of it (ymmv). Sometimes the mystery of things is part of the pleasure, i.e. a magic show.

Anyway, well said Mike, can't wait to own one some day...

Eric
 
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An update on my 2nd gen 66:

Wednesday I hosted my end-of-the-year party for my elementary orchestra kiddos (well over 100). Kickball outside, two long tables full of sugary treats and neon-colored punch, games in the gym, and a movie. We roll big in the elementary orchestra. Movie in the junior high cafeteria. Got a projector and a screen, but there's no sound system. With the boomy acoustic and all those kids, no way some computer speakers on a cart were gonna cut it, so I rigged up some cables and took the headphone output from the laptop into a Crest Prolite 2.0 into the 66. One channel of the ProLite in stereo mode, No EQ. The sound was not movie-theater perfect (some EQ would have helped there), but it was clear, detailed to the back of the room (speech was clearly intelligible and in balance with the action), and thunderous (well, as thunderous as Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 gets).

I don't use my bass cabs to play music or watch movies, and I'd never run anything but bass through this cab before, but I have, in a pinch, done something similar with my Markbass combo and my Dr. Bass 212 (6.5" mid, no tweet) cab before (not movies, but music/vox duty). I actually prefer the mid-forward voice of the Dr. Bass in some ways for electric bass (though there are things the 66 does that the Dr. B doesn't), but playing something like this? No contest. It's been awhile, but I clearly recall the MB and Dr.B cabs sounding boxy and honky in comparison when playing recorded music or handling vocal/monitoring use and trying to work with EQ to rectify that. To be fair, I was running through dedicated bass amps at the time (not something neutral like the Pro Lite), but the difference was pronounced.

I walked around the room to see if the sound was more-or-less-the-same/not-like-it's-coming-out-of-a-box wherever I stood, as it seemed to be when I listened to other bass players play through the cab for the first time. The answer? Yes, mostly... the sound was open, and the dispersion was very good (clear and balanced everywhere in the cafeteria -- no "bad seats" sonically), but you could still tell where it was coming from and that it was coming out of some speaker-like thing. Still, I can't imagine my other cabs sounding nearly as transparent (yes, I know that word has baggage, but I feel it's appropriate here) in the same context. Another way to put it: Was the uber-surround thing of a high-end movie theater audio system in full-effect? No. Was there some of that same enveloping quality to the sound? Yep. Low, menacing rumbles were very effectively rendered, without needing to be very loud. The sound was directional (you could tell where it was coming from) but the effect was less pronounced than I'd have expected. Miraculous? No. Remarkable for a single, 50 lb box on a tile floor in a room full of kids? Definitely, particularly when you consider the sound was in mono. I've heard less effective stereo presentations with respectable powered speakers.

As for volume, I was running one side of the ProLite in stereo, dial up about 1/3rd of the way. Signal from the laptop wasn't optimal to drive the amp, either. I think a 2x6 could have carried the room (though it would need more juice to reach the same volume), based on how little I was pushing the 66. (Can't say for sure as I only have experience with the 66, but I think so.)

One more note: Jazz band concerts in that same room, the bass (through a 12" Ashdown combo) has struggled with boominess (I'm gonna recommend an fDeck to the director). No boom playing the movie through the 66 in that space. I could hear the movie clearly and still talk to kids and parents.

To be fair, I should go back and play some music/movies through the Crest and my other cabs. I'm curious enough to do that. Don't know if I'm curious enough to haul all of the cabs into the cafeteria over the summer for a shootout at volume, but, hey, there you go.

Not a bass-specific review, but maybe of interest to some.
 
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First MA109 test last night. This was in my friends rather small 8 x 12 drum room inside of a garage. Yes, not the best place to eval, but still some very interesting results. First off is, again, it's hard to believe the sound pressure this 1x10 cab pushes. In almost 30 years of multiple bass cabs, I never heard anything like it. In the room with me was the drummer, a strong 1x12 guitar cab, and my Japan made '51 P-Bass with old flats through a Genz Benz 9.2 Shuttlemax doing mostly surf instruments, roots and Harry Mancini tunes! On the loudest tunes we were easily in the blues rock, surf band volume range and I felt like I still had some more in the tank. Sounded like the 10 was still breaking loose, just amazing. With such a tiny place, the sound spectrum and dispersion were hard to gauge for sure. I could feel the room react on some notes which dropped the volume on them. I was coupled to the carpeted floor, no iso pad. Bass was really beautiful and big, needed to cut at the amp a little. The mids sounded great, but needed a small boost to cut through. I never do this, but I cranked the highs a bit to wake the 3" drivers up. Very very cool. No spiky tweeter bite, just smooth extension. For what I play it was great. We were all floored by this cab and the guys said I should gig it with some PA support if needed. With the volume this group gets to, I never even considered the 109 for this band, I normally run a 4x10. I may be re-thinking that...

I think the blues guys are in for a treat.
 
...wow! I just "got it" in a new way. Gig last night with Folk in A - still not a loud band by any means, but we were up a bit in volume. Still using just the FlexMod210 top only. And wow.

Articulation. effin' articulation like nothing I've ever played through before. Crazy poppin' articulation on stacatto 16th note lines.

Up til now the situations I've been playing in have had more legato lines, and more "standard bass lines". Some of my tunes in Folk in A have some stacatto 16th melody lines played on bass (and doubled or harmonized on guitar). The first time I played a line in "Dona Elizabeta", my guitarist (who hadn't commented on the new cab) bust into a grin.

It sounded SO good. The notes were crisp and clear. "Popping" is really the best description I can give.

and I repeat - effin' Wow.

We tried to get video, but sadly, Ted's camera was illin'. Bad card or something. No video captured. :-(
 
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Yeah baby, the very first time I played my 48 out, I played a venue kesslari and I have both played. Due to the space constrictions I opted to put the cab way stage right instead of next to the drummer, where he always wanted me before. We had a guest keyboard guy with an L config 2 keys set up takin up the stage space. I told the drummer no worries you will hear me, trust me. This was totally based on the fact that Mike,Duke, and Leland were on board with BigE. And I went wireless and walked around and the bass sound was everywhere, no can't hear it over here stuff at all.Got kudos from the keys guy and the drummer re the rig. Keeps happening. This ain't no regular 4x10 stuff. Way more.
 
I haven't activated the tweeter on my 110 Flex for a few weeks now. I'm also still stuck on running the woofer out of phase with the mid/high section. I was wondering if Mike was offering an equivalent of the Baer ML-112 when I first heard of the Flex series. While the ML-112 remains my favorite 'conventional' cab, nothing compares to the Flex's ability to deliver every nuance of what you are playing, good or bad. I sure had a great time with the Dingwall SP4 yesterday! :bassist: