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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

It actually seemed to me to be even more hi-fi than the Eminence, still fast and punchy. I don’t think anything Mike makes sounds as traditional as the 12, especially the new smaller one, but I’ve gotten to the point that I prefer the more accurate sound of some of the MAS cabs. I’m using a B28 that makes me smile a lot. The 10 is a little more traditional sounding than the 8’s. I have one on order also.
 
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As for putting the cab horizontal, you might notice a more "3D" sound that way, but you'd need to elevate it as well if the goal is to thin-out the bass.


I am really curious as to why the horizontal position would be more 3d. It does sound different, and I agree it would not help if one were trying to reduce low end. Though that curiosity is likely only to be answered by serious scientific descriptions of how sound propagates in a space. I usually have a hard time keeping up with that :wacky:
 
I am really curious as to why the horizontal position would be more 3d. It does sound different, and I agree it would not help if one were trying to reduce low end. Though that curiosity is likely only to be answered by serious scientific descriptions of how sound propagates in a space. I usually have a hard time keeping up with that :wacky:
Another option could be to use the cab horizontally and elevated. Maybe on a guitar cab stand. It may even out the lows a bit up close.
 
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Another option could be to use the cab horizontally and elevated. Maybe on a guitar cab stand. It may even out the lows a bit up close.


Yeah, I have read this and tried it at home. Unfortunately that is typically not possible on stages I work on. Last Friday was a rare occasion where I could try horizontal, but there was nothing to set it on. Most of my gigs require a smaller footprint than that. It's all good.
 
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I am really curious as to why the horizontal position would be more 3d. It does sound different, and I agree it would not help if one were trying to reduce low end. Though that curiosity is likely only to be answered by serious scientific descriptions of how sound propagates in a space. I usually have a hard time keeping up with that :wacky:

Another option could be to use the cab horizontally and elevated. Maybe on a guitar cab stand. It may even out the lows a bit up close.

Yeah, I have read this and tried it at home. Unfortunately that is typically not possible on stages I work on. Last Friday was a rare occasion where I could try horizontal, but there was nothing to set it on. Most of my gigs require a smaller footprint than that. It's all good.

For the record, I've only ever performed with my 112 vertical and on the floor. It is plenty clear and 3D that way -- certainly so relative to a conventional cab, particularly from out in the hall -- but not quite as "3D" as the 210 Flex (which, to be fair, has its own separate chamber for the mids, as the Bodai cabs do) and maybe not quite so "3D" as the 46+110 sub (which, to be fair, is a bigger setup).

At any rate, Mike has mentioned that he prefers the sound of his cabs horizontal (native orientation of the Flex and 46, but not of the MAS 112 and similar cabs) and elevated. I think this applies more to some cabs than others (my 112 doesn't seem to need to be elevated, but, given your description of yours with the Faital woofer, I wonder if it might benefit from it) and depends, too, on the space. I think it was more a thing with the earlier Big E cabs (certainly with the very early ones). I recall mention being made, some time back, about how Mike and the Big E guys worked hard to get the waveguides optimized to work their dispersion magic as well in the "vertical" cabs (112, etc.) as in the "horizontal" cabs (46, Flex, etc.).

I did try the 112 horizontally, on the floor (tilted up) and on a chair, years ago, at home -- it did sound different -- perhaps a bit more expansive -- but I don't think that was a very good test for it. Mike did say that if I ever had room on stage I could try it elevated and horizontal (I recall the late Mr. Bear orienting multiple MAS 112s that way in some posts here) and that if I ever played a big outdoor stage I could try it on the floor and tilted up, but I've rarely had that kind of room (or the need) and have been more than happy with it running vertical, amp on top, as usual.
 
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For the record, I've only ever performed with my 112 vertical and on the floor. It is plenty clear and 3D that way -- certainly so relative to a conventional cab, particularly from out in the hall -- but not quite as "3D" as the 210 Flex (which, to be fair, has its own separate chamber for the mids, as the Bodai cabs do) and maybe not quite so "3D" as the 46+110 sub (which, to be fair, is a bigger setup).

At any rate, Mike has mentioned that he prefers the sound of his cabs horizontal (native orientation of the Flex and 46, but not of the MAS 112 and similar cabs) and elevated. I think this applies more to some cabs than others (my 112 doesn't seem to need to be elevated, but, given your description of yours with the Faital woofer, I wonder if it might benefit from it) and depends, too, on the space. I think it was more a thing with the earlier Big E cabs (certainly with the very early ones). I recall mention being made, some time back, about how Mike and the Big E guys worked hard to get the waveguides optimized to work their dispersion magic as well in the "vertical" cabs (112, etc.) as in the "horizontal" cabs (46, Flex, etc.).

I did try the 112 horizontally, on the floor (tilted up) and on a chair, years ago, at home -- it did sound different -- perhaps a bit more expansive -- but I don't think that was a very good test for it. Mike did say that if I ever had room on stage I could try it elevated and horizontal (I recall the late Mr. Bear orienting multiple MAS 112s that way in some posts here) and that if I ever played a big outdoor stage I could try it on the floor and tilted up, but I've rarely had that kind of room (or the need) and have been more than happy with it running vertical, amp on top, as usual.
Ow, it hurts to read "the late Mr. Bear". RIP, bass brother.
 
Ow, it hurts to read "the late Mr. Bear". RIP, bass brother.
Typing it gave me pause. I did not know him, but I enjoyed reading his posts. He seemed like a neat guy who enjoyed and appreciated life.

I remember him posting about stacking two, then three horizontally-oriented MAS 112s outdoors and running them from (I think) a Matchless Thunderchief or some other rare tube amp. He posted a photo somewhere in this thread, I believe.
 
Typing gave homage and respect to a brother who proclaimed his survivor status but left us before we would wish. Cool dude. Play one in his honor when you go through your set list! As far as orientation of these cabs I am a dork who puts it on the floor and plays. I listen to the cell phone video or digital recorder dropbox later and the bass is always clear and strong. Can't go wrong. Thanks BigE Mas.
 
If anyone is looking for a cover for their MAS 46 then send me a message. I have an one made from Tuki that they cut an inch too short. Still works out great though.

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Fits the following dimensions:

26" by 15 1/4" by 14" deep
 
I know new design are rightly supplanting previous ones, but the more I play my 2x 16 stack, the more I want to find a 46 or two. They’re just so smooth and natural sounding.
One of my favorites ever the 46, played it in a club where Chris Cain Nick Moss Laurie Mourvan and other cool people played. The owner complimented me on the sound after the gig. Great sound and power for mid size gigs. Snag one if it comes up for sale IMHO
 
Thanks for the references folks, I’m torn between picking up a used 46 or shelling a bit more for a new 110. If I’m honest, I’m looking @ the pjb C8 as well.
I'm more of a PB&J fan myself...
 
Thanks for the references folks, I’m torn between picking up a used 46 or shelling a bit more for a new 110. If I’m honest, I’m looking @ the pjb C8 as well.

That 1x10 looks so cool, a pair has got to be massive, but still loving the B28. I've had a musical course change lately and might need a smaller cab for the bedroom studio. Maybe snag a 18 later...
 
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That 1x10 looks so cool, a pair has got to be massive, but still loving the B28. I've had a musical course change lately and might need a smaller cab for the bedroom studio. Maybe snag a 18 later...
The B28 and 1,8 together fit everything I do. Small - 1,8. Great for rehearsals too. Medium - B28. Very large - both together.