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Big Geezer Butler fan

Geezer is def one of the cats for which i fell in love with the bass.

I was a bit too young yet to go see a Sabbath show in the 70's, but i had seem them first year of their reunion, and seen Geezer during the GZR/Plastic Planet tour in a small club. Balls out loud..
 
That is Geezer's first P bass. It was not destroyed by US customs, as sometimes reported.

I've seen pictures of it recently. Somebody contacted me, via Youtube, claiming to own this bass. I was sent pics of a pre-CBS P-bass with a stripped finish. Some of the knots in the body (or wear maybe?) checked out with the video footage I could find of this bass. Same bass? Who knows. The individual was not for selling it, and my inbox died a death a few years back meaning I lost everything. One of the lecturers at my university had a stripped pre-CBS P-bass, so they are not that uncommon. A bloke I sold a Laney amp to had another...

Maybe this is a weird aspect of British culture? My Grandfather had, no joke, a Grandfather clock. It would have been considered an antique, but at some point he stripped the original finish and gave it the rough sandpaper and varnish treatment. I've seen this with a lot of furniture here in the UK. I think it must be symptomatic of post-war austerity that everybody tried to 'fix' their stuff by brush-varnishing it. Geezer's original P bass was probably starting to show wear (relic-ing in this day and age) so he, or a prior owner, decided to strip and hand-varnish the thing I imagine. Totally contrary to current-day thought about vintage instrument finishes.

this makes sense because they always said they were very poor when they first got started. he might have bought that bass for a song because no one else wanted it. in any case the rest is history. thanks for the information friend.
 
I find the Ozzy hate here pretty funny. Maybe it's just the rhythm-section-is-the-only-part-of-the-band-that-counts-'cause-that's-the-section-I'm-in attitude prevalent here. Bill Ward IS Sabbath? Right...

Remind me again, which pays more, performance royalties or songwriting?

Of course Geezer falls on both sides of that fence, but still...what would I expect from a crew that honestly expects that too loud, distorted,mid scooped guitar player to neuter their sound...so that THEY can be louder in the mix, scoop their mids and play with distortion? "Thanks for writing the material arranging producing etc, but now that I'm done learning to play within your vision, *I* set the tone." Right...because the bass and drums are the primary attraction.

While you're getting over yourself, perhaps consider that while Bill is DAMN HARD to replace - frankly the attitude I've seen about 13 leads me believe that Bonham resurrected would have been inadequate - Ozzy and Tony are IMPOSSIBLE to replace. Particularly the latter.

I haven't seen Sabbath since '02. Saw them live in '99 and it was perhaps the best show I've ever seen. Was about 10 rows back. Tony by himself was louder than Slayer, and watching Ozzy reminds one what a PERFORMER and FRONTMAN he is. NOBODY holds a stadium crowd in the palm of their hand like him - no one.

If you think you can do better, keep in mind that Ozzy is not just an iold as dirt dude still rocking a metal crowd, he is THE O.G., the first of his kind. As are all the original Sabbath members. Ozzy's done more drugs by himself than Aerosmith and Motley Crue put together, throw another 60's stadium band in too. He and Bill tripped on acid every DAY for a YEAR together. He's literally having his genome studied by Oxford, because even the West's oldest university thinks there's no good reason he's still alive.

So tell me, if that were YOUR history...how long ago would they have buried you? Much less would you be up to the task he undertakes.

BTW Bill has long been known as the "businessman" of the group. He was whining about 'his contract' when the reunion happened. He likely thought he had the band over a barrel...and duly ****ed himself out of ANY contract, ANY royalties, and ANY tour pay. And IMO the album didn't much suffer from his absence. Considering it was no. 1 on the top 40, their first, many agree.

Nitebob was right. It doesn't matter how talented and irreplaceable you think you are, if you can't get along with the other members of your band, you WILL be replaced. Just ask David Lee Roth. But don't ask EVH orTony Iommi ;-)

This doesn't mean Geezer isn't awesome and isn't THE MAN. Personally I prefer BANDS - The Doors, not Jim Morrison and his backing band. A BAND has many elements and personalities which are analogeous to ingredients in a dish. They all contribute to the flavor. However, certain ingredients cannot be substituted - no matter the seasoning, no noodles no tomatoes no spaghetti.

But what do I know, I'm just a guitard...who also functions as a bassnozzle, electronic drummer, producer, engineer, instrument tech, vocalist and lyricist.

/rant

Oh, and mellowinman, I got it, funny!
 
I find the Ozzy hate here pretty funny. Maybe it's just the rhythm-section-is-the-only-part-of-the-band-that-counts-'cause-that's-the-section-I'm-in attitude prevalent here. Bill Ward IS Sabbath? Right...

Remind me again, which pays more, performance royalties or songwriting?

Of course Geezer falls on both sides of that fence, but still...what would I expect from a crew that honestly expects that too loud, distorted,mid scooped guitar player to neuter their sound...so that THEY can be louder in the mix, scoop their mids and play with distortion? "Thanks for writing the material arranging producing etc, but now that I'm done learning to play within your vision, *I* set the tone." Right...because the bass and drums are the primary attraction.

While you're getting over yourself, perhaps consider that while Bill is DAMN HARD to replace - frankly the attitude I've seen about 13 leads me believe that Bonham resurrected would have been inadequate - Ozzy and Tony are IMPOSSIBLE to replace. Particularly the latter.

I haven't seen Sabbath since '02. Saw them live in '99 and it was perhaps the best show I've ever seen. Was about 10 rows back. Tony by himself was louder than Slayer, and watching Ozzy reminds one what a PERFORMER and FRONTMAN he is. NOBODY holds a stadium crowd in the palm of their hand like him - no one.

If you think you can do better, keep in mind that Ozzy is not just an iold as dirt dude still rocking a metal crowd, he is THE O.G., the first of his kind. As are all the original Sabbath members. Ozzy's done more drugs by himself than Aerosmith and Motley Crue put together, throw another 60's stadium band in too. He and Bill tripped on acid every DAY for a YEAR together. He's literally having his genome studied by Oxford, because even the West's oldest university thinks there's no good reason he's still alive.

So tell me, if that were YOUR history...how long ago would they have buried you? Much less would you be up to the task he undertakes.

BTW Bill has long been known as the "businessman" of the group. He was whining about 'his contract' when the reunion happened. He likely thought he had the band over a barrel...and duly ****ed himself out of ANY contract, ANY royalties, and ANY tour pay. And IMO the album didn't much suffer from his absence. Considering it was no. 1 on the top 40, their first, many agree.

Nitebob was right. It doesn't matter how talented and irreplaceable you think you are, if you can't get along with the other members of your band, you WILL be replaced. Just ask David Lee Roth. But don't ask EVH orTony Iommi ;-)

This doesn't mean Geezer isn't awesome and isn't THE MAN. Personally I prefer BANDS - The Doors, not Jim Morrison and his backing band. A BAND has many elements and personalities which are analogeous to ingredients in a dish. They all contribute to the flavor. However, certain ingredients cannot be substituted - no matter the seasoning, no noodles no tomatoes no spaghetti.

But what do I know, I'm just a guitard...who also functions as a bassnozzle, electronic drummer, producer, engineer, instrument tech, vocalist and lyricist.

/rant

Oh, and mellowinman, I got it, funny!

Anyone can be replaced. Except that VH sucked without DLR, Sabbath isn't the same band without either Ozzy or Bill, etc. You can be replaced, sure. Doesn't mean it will be good. What Ozzy's drug use has to do with the drumming style most seem to prefer in Sabbath I'm not sure, but it makes a hell of a rant. The fact is, Black Sabbath is one of those bands, for me, that needs the 4 members. Every other lineup of theirs has sucked, and yes, that includes the Dio version. I like bands, too. And I can tell a difference when 1 or more members change out, and it usually ends up blowing.

/counter rant.:)

13 was boring, Bonham wouldn't have saved it.
 
Don't forget Geezer's extensive use of BC Rich in the first Dio era 1980-1982; he was usually playing an Eagle. Geezer's playing on "Die Young" from Heaven and Hell is UNREAL...

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Geezer even played a Kahler-equipped Ironbird at Live Aid.

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In the late 80's while playing with Ozzy Geezer played Spectors almost exclusively...then, when Spector "went bust" (according to Geezer) he played Vigiers for several years.

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But still...his tone and PLAYING on the Heaven and Hell LP as well as Mob Rules nearly trumps everything he did; it's that good.

...that is, of course, assuming that the playing on "Heaven and Hell" wasn't actually Craig Gruber!
 
Geezer is the one that started it all for me. I can remember being 7 years old and hearing War Pigs on the radio and at that point I didn't even know enough about music to know what a bass guitar was. It blew me away dude. I got a bass that year for Christmas but then I got a guitar and tried to be Iommi for a few years. But Geezer was just calling me back and I returned to my true calling.:bassist:
 
Blue4, I certainly don't agree that 13 was boring, but I could do with a little less Dio in Sabbath. IMO it ended up sounded more like a Dio collab than Sabbath. And Tenacious D never wrote about Ozzy needing to be taken to a home, so...

Since Cal Jam has come up a lot, my buddy Dan Simcox and I were digging the footage awhilr back when I noticed something - during the "smoke it...get high!" part of Killing Yourself To Live, you see Ozzy clearly 'throw the horns'. According to popular myth, Dio was the originator of the practice - during the H&H/Mob Rules era.

Well apparently not! Here we have Ozzy doing it nearly a decade earlier.

Gotta love Sabbath - even when it turns out that they didn't innovate something, an earlier version of them did! ;-)
 
I love the metal band he had they called GZR or Geezer. It had Deen Castranovo on drums and two killer metal vocalists. He teamed up with a buddy named Pedro Howse on guitar. Very thrashy. Great bass tone too. I just saw the bass player mag award show. He killed it on fairies. Just tore it up.

Geezer Butler getting Thrashy? *Insert Jules' reaction to Mascellus Wallace sending The Wolf*. I need to check this out ASAP :hyper:
 
Blue4, I certainly don't agree that 13 was boring, but I could do with a little less Dio in Sabbath. IMO it ended up sounded more like a Dio collab than Sabbath. And Tenacious D never wrote about Ozzy needing to be taken to a home, so...

Since Cal Jam has come up a lot, my buddy Dan Simcox and I were digging the footage awhilr back when I noticed something - during the "smoke it...get high!" part of Killing Yourself To Live, you see Ozzy clearly 'throw the horns'. According to popular myth, Dio was the originator of the practice - during the H&H/Mob Rules era.

Well apparently not! Here we have Ozzy doing it nearly a decade earlier.

Gotta love Sabbath - even when it turns out that they didn't innovate something, an earlier version of them did! ;-)

I suppose I think it's boring because the interplay between Geezer and Bill Ward is the reason I started loving Sabbath. I started listening to music around 1987, and that rhythm section is what set them apart from the hair bands. Without that sound, with Dio, they sounded like a hair band. Before I ever wanted to play music, let alone the bass, I felt that rhythm section. Its just not the same.
 
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When I picked up a bass a few years ago I dug into various types of Rock music and a lot of different bands, but the two bass players who stood out to me time after time were Geddy Lee and Geezer.

Geezer just had the tone and the right choice of notes, whether they were many or few, and he's able to weave easily within each song, holding the mood, and supporting Iommi with his heavy riffs and Ward with his outstanding drumming. I first heard of Lakland basses from an interview with Geezer, and funny enough I now own a Lakland (Jazz style) bass and love it.

I too heard about Bill being left out of the new album's drumming, and once I heard the album I knew his feel is just not there. No swing and groove like their old material, I find the new drummer's playing too sterile and straight ahead. It's a glaring component missing from this new album's vibe, the guitar/bass stuff is there, but not the drumming.
 
Without that sound, with Dio, they sounded like a hair band. Before I ever wanted to play music, let alone the bass, I felt that rhythm section. Its just not the same.

What the hell??!??!!!!??

You DO realize that the Heaven and Hell album is the SAME rhythm section of Geezer and Bill Ward, don't you?

Sabbath with Dio a HAIR band?!?!!!!!!!?!?!!??? What the fruck?!??!!!!??

Have you never heard how much more advanced and nuanced Geezer's playing got once Dio joined the band? Geezer himself has stated how much more liberated he was as a bassist in Sabbath once he didn't have to spend time to write lyrics for Ozzy...that's why his basslines on the Dio era recordings are on a completely different level than on the Ozzy recordings. He simply had tons more time to write them and work them out...that's why there IS so much drum/bass tight interplay on those Dio albums than on early Sabbath.

You must have never paid attention to the basslines for Die Young, Lonely is the Word, Wishing Well, or Children of the Sea...

And, even with Vinnie Appice on Mob Rules, Geezer's interplay and finesse on songs such as Falling Off the Edge of the World, Slipping Away (complete with distorted bass solo) and the amazing Over and Over are some of Geezer's best playing ever...

Also, Geezer's tone on Heaven and Hell as well as Mob Rules with its thick, controlled, midrangy distortion is one of his BEST most audible tones.

Dio-era Sabbath sounds like HAIR METAL?!??!??

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
What the hell??!??!!!!??

You DO realize that the Heaven and Hell album is the SAME rhythm section of Geezer and Bill Ward, don't you?

Sabbath with Dio a HAIR band?!?!!!!!!!?!?!!??? What the fruck?!??!!!!??

Have you never heard how much more advanced and nuanced Geezer's playing got once Dio joined the band? Geezer himself has stated how much more liberated he was as a bassist in Sabbath once he didn't have to spend time to write lyrics for Ozzy...that's why his basslines on the Dio era recordings are on a completely different level than on the Ozzy recordings. He simply had tons more time to write them and work them out...that's why there IS so much drum/bass tight interplay on those Dio albums than on early Sabbath.

You must have never paid attention to the basslines for Die Young, Lonely is the Word, Wishing Well, or Children of the Sea...

And, even with Vinnie Appice on Mob Rules, Geezer's interplay and finesse on songs such as Falling Off the Edge of the World, Slipping Away (complete with distorted bass solo) and the amazing Over and Over are some of Geezer's best playing ever...

Also, Geezer's tone on Heaven and Hell as well as Mob Rules with its thick, controlled, midrangy distortion is one of his BEST most audible tones.

Dio-era Sabbath sounds like HAIR METAL?!??!??

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Yeah I still never did care for Dio era Sabbath. I'm sorry this hurts your feelings.