• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Boss Katana Bass ...

#221
I'm having trouble squaring

frankie5string said:
...it does really well.
Click to expand...

with

frankie5string said:
Don't expect a tonne of bottom end.
Click to expand...

Does it do the job or doesn't it? My Hartke Kickback 112 does the job and lacks nothing. And I think you mistyped. The Katana does not come with a 112 option. I wish it did! It has only the 110 (smaller than I want) and the 210 (bigger than I want).
 
  • Like
Reactions: robert_stuart
#222
scottfeldstein said:
I'm having trouble squaring



with



Does it do the job or doesn't it? My Hartke Kickback 112 does the job and lacks nothing. And I think you mistyped. The Katana does not come with a 112 option. I wish it did! It has only the 110 (smaller than I want) and the 210 (bigger than I want).
Click to expand...

Listen, it's a single 10, and it's not a particularly deep cabinet and it's not really voiced for deep bass at high volumes. So it's strength is basically low-midrange - not really bottom end. It will work with a drummer, but the amp will begin to roll off any deep bass the louder you run it. Does that make more sense?

I didn't mistype... I didn't say the Katana came in a 12 - I said Roland (who makes the Katana) still sells the latest Cube CB120XL which DOES have a single 12, is 120 watts, loud for it's rating and actually DOES produce more bottom-end. The Cube does have multiple voicings, effects and even a looper and drum-machine if you want that, but it's the progenitor to the Katana bass amps.
 
#223
frankie5string said:
Listen, it's a single 10, and it's not a particularly deep cabinet and it's not really voiced for deep bass at high volumes. So it's strength is basically low-midrange - not really bottom end. It will work with a drummer, but the amp will begin to roll off any deep bass the louder you run it. Does that make more sense?
Click to expand...

Sure. I guess I'd have to try it myself. I mean, I'm not out there playing reggae at outdoor festivals or anything. I even run a HPF on my board at all times. But it still sounds like I might be disappointed with it. Maybe if my local shop gets one in I can borrow it.
 
#225
dennis bailey said:
when you find a setting you like how do you save it ? do you have to have the foot pedal? i cant find ;saving a setting ; anywhere in the manual
Click to expand...
To save a tone to a channel on the amp, dial in the tone/settings you like and press and hold the channel button for 3 seconds to save to that chosen channel.
The other method is to use the Katana Bass Tone Studio editor software,
which can save the tone to a channel on the amp, or save to a file (LiveSet).
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: dennis bailey
#226
I've had the 110 for a couple of weeks now and like very much. To me, it's a studio-only combo, but its preamp versatility makes it a nice tool when recording. I agree with frankie5string's analysis on its tone signature, but with all the EQ possibilities you can make it sound however you want. The effects are fine though I still haven't delved too deep yet. I'm still waiting, as is most of America I'm guessing, for the Bluetooth adaptor. I like the Tone Studio app, but the USB cable is clunky and after owning a Fender Stage 800, I'm used to making changes on my phone. We'll see how that works...hopefully by the holidays.

July Buddies (7.5.22).JPG
 
#227
FerrisB said:
I posted some of this in a different thread - but I thought I'd chime in here too...

I just received a 110 yesterday. My goals for the getting this:
  • Good sounding practice amp for home
  • Playing at church, special events, musicals etc as my own monitor while using DI to FOH
  • Loud enough to provide some moderate stage volume support when needed
  • Boss effects "hard wired" rather than bringing multi-effects or pedalboard with associated cables etc.
  • Simple connection - one cable, power cord, done!
Initial impressions - but have not played out with it as yet:
  • To me - it doesn't feel "gimmicky" in any sense - very solid build, controls are logical and and work well either through the computer or using the panel knobs directly. I actually like that it doesn't have a built in drum machine, tuner, looper etc... those functions are better handled other ways IMHO.
  • The sound is great out of the box with minimal adjustments - the effects stay out of the way if you don't need them, and I like that it doesn't have an LCD screen or anything - feels simpler when you want it that way. All available functions seem included strictly for tone shaping - no extra "features" as I said.
  • Effects are all Boss obviously - they work for me and the situations I am involved in as a player. I likely won't use all of them, but interesting to try out at times. I like that they are "out of the way" when not needed.
  • Interesting HPF and LPF options available with the BLEND control - haven't worked these out yet.
Seems great so far for my kind of playing! It pretty much checks every box for me.
Click to expand...

Actually the 110 sound boxy than Ampeg RB112 i compare side by side at guitar store to my ears, but the Katana 210 are real deal if you looking for serious bass tone, vary tone, effect .... lot features ( actually tooooo much for me and lot of weights.)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: robert_stuart and iagtrplyr
#228
Yahboy said:
Actually the 110 sound boxy than Ampeg RB112 i compare side by side at guitar store to my ears, but the Katana 210 are real deal if you looking for serious bass tone, vary tone, effect .... lot features ( actually tooooo much for me and lot of weights.)
Click to expand...

Y'boy, the 110 needs to be played to open up the speaker and I have every confidence it'll bloom more later on. Otherwise, it's the exact same amp, especially when using the preamp for recording. Wipes out the whole speaker issue you're having. Also, what's the point of giving the 210 the thumbs up if it's too heavy and you can't take it out, and I do agree with you about that. As far as the features, you use what you want and ignore what you don't want. I'll never use all the effects and that doesn't bother me a bit.

Both the RB-112 and Katana 110 have a place in a bass player's arsenal. :thumbsup:
 
#229
Don't put too much faith into "breaking in the speaker", it's MUCH more likely that the voicing of the 110 isn't as much to your liking.

(also, don't break the speaker in the process of breaking it in... yeah breaking speakers is a thing that sometimes happens when following internet snake oil that's explained by those why can spin a good yarn).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bassiclees, frankie5string and iagtrplyr
#230
iagtrplyr said:
Y'boy, the 110 needs to be played to open up the speaker and I have every confidence it'll bloom more later on. Otherwise, it's the exact same amp, especially when using the preamp for recording. Wipes out the whole speaker issue you're having. Also, what's the point of giving the 210 the thumbs up if it's too heavy and you can't take it out, and I do agree with you about that. As far as the features, you use what you want and ignore what you don't want. I'll never use all the effects and that doesn't bother me a bit.

Both the RB-112 and Katana 110 have a place in a bass player's arsenal. :thumbsup:
Click to expand...

Just my personal opinion share between RB112 and Katana110, if Roland provide Katana 112 along with bigger box (weight could be around 23kg ?), i believe the overall tonal has no much different compare to Katana 210.

Double thumbs up on Katana 210 because she has serious bass tone compare to both Ampeg RB210 and Rumble 500/210 even she has only 160 watts in hand, meanwhile that 160 watts able match the Hartke KB15(250 watts on stock hydrive drive) output with no shy at all, great tone allow me to skip the weight issue.

Katana 110 Vs 210 , just like Presonus Eris E3.5 Vs E7.......
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: iagtrplyr
#231
agedhorse said:
Don't put too much faith into "breaking in the speaker", it's MUCH more likely that the voicing of the 110 isn't as much to your liking.

(also, don't break the speaker in the process of breaking it in... yeah breaking speakers is a thing that sometimes happens when following internet snake oil that's explained by those why can spin a good yarn).
Click to expand...

Respect your point, but still put some credence into speaker break in as opposed to a brand new speaker playing notes for the first time.

I’m not saying it’s a complete changeover in tone, but experience with loudspeakers and my ears the past 50 years has made me a believer there’s an overall difference in overall warmth.

To each his own.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tindrum
#232
iagtrplyr said:
Respect your point, but still put some credence into speaker break in as opposed to a brand new speaker playing notes for the first time.

I’m not saying it’s a complete changeover in tone, but experience with loudspeakers and my ears the past 50 years has made me a believer there’s an overall difference in overall warmth.

To each his own.
Click to expand...

How do you know the drivers that go into those amps are absolutely "brand new?"

You don't need to break in the speaker. In fact, the Katana amps wont really let you significantly exercise the speaker - they have a lot of protection built in to the DSP to stop the stupid.
 
  • Like
Reactions: iagtrplyr, Yahboy and agedhorse
#233
From my previous experience in new speaker drivers, a quality driver does not need to be "broken in" as much as a cheap driver,
I find the cheap drivers with the stiff paper suspension, require more movement over a period to loosen the edges & folds.
The Katana will have a cheap driver in it.
This has been a known issue with the Katana guitar amp range, where users had complained of a 'harsh brittle' tone, until the speak run up a few miles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: iagtrplyr
#234
gumtown said:
From my previous experience in new speaker drivers, a quality driver does not need to be "broken in" as much as a cheap driver,
I find the cheap drivers with the stiff paper suspension, require more movement over a period to loosen the edges & folds.
The Katana will have a cheap driver in it.
This has been a known issue with the Katana guitar amp range, where users had complained of a 'harsh brittle' tone, until the speak run up a few miles.
Click to expand...
The bass driver does not have a paper surround.
 
  • Like
Reactions: iagtrplyr, Yahboy and frankie5string
#236
gumtown said:
From my previous experience in new speaker drivers, a quality driver does not need to be "broken in" as much as a cheap driver,
I find the cheap drivers with the stiff paper suspension, require more movement over a period to loosen the edges & folds.
The Katana will have a cheap driver in it.
This has been a known issue with the Katana guitar amp range, where users had complained of a 'harsh brittle' tone, until the speak run up a few miles.
Click to expand...

Don’t know enough about Roland speakers other than the guitar combos I’ve owned in the past we’re decent. So your point is then, yes, the speaker is cheap and cheap speakers need more tone to break in. Then my original comment to who was asking was correct based on your point of view. Thanks!

Seriously, I’m willing to lay down arms over this battle because it’s futile to change opinions. I happen to like the combo for what it does, no more, no less. Good fortunes to all! :thumbsup:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Yahboy

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back