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Boutique Basses are Better: Get Over It!

Just take each bass as they come and evaluate its worth to you in that instance. I tend to think this whole boutique vs factory argument is mostly in the heads of people who get carried away with the forums and have lost sight of what really is important.

Bass guitar (like most solidbody instruments) are not the most complicated instruments out there...There are many brands, quality levels, price points to choose from that can all get the job done. Keep an open mind and embrace the choice i say.
 
I don't think that boutique basses are necessarily "better". Of course I'd expect materials and craftsmanship to be top-notch if I decide to spend a big amount of money on such instrument, but anyway, I actually see a boutique bass as the way to have all the things I like to see/feel/hear from a bass in one single instrument.

I'm extremely happy with my bass arsenal, but in spite of that, it's been more than two years since I started saving for a boutique bass. As far as I know, a headless 5-string bass with wide string spacing, ebony fingerboard with big MOP block inlays and bound neck (just to mention some features) can't be found unless you go custom. I like those features and I'd love to own a bass like that. Why not, if I'm patient enough to spend a lot of time saving part of my hard-earned money for that?

Just my 0.02.
 
Quote: 2-Upper end production basses (after they're setup) will normally compete very strong with a botique.. basic spirit of this thread is the fit finish is in botiques.. you can do this to a production bass.

Again, a Fender custom shop is as expensive as a Sadowsky. So what are we comparing here? A Sadowsky with a Korean Squier? come on people!
 
Someone else has mentioned that most professional players do NOT play on boutique basses. I am not a pro myself but I'm going to take a stab at explaining why this is. I'm guessing professionals find gear that works for them and stick with it, as opposed to us laymen who love to always be trying out the latest and the greatest. Also, by definition, a professional bassist would be one who makes their living playing bass, correct? Well, unfortunately this type of career may not be the most lucrative and probably most of these cats have other priorities (raising a family) more important than owning a boutique bass.
Not bashing the boutiques or their owners in anyway. I myself some day hope to own a US Masters...

Your missing a big reason here, as to why "pros" don't use boutique basses. Lets say your rock band is on a world tour, you land in Austrailia on Friday and you have a sold out stadium to play on Monday. Your Overwater bass is distroyed by, lets say , Untied Airlines (Hey, I hear they destroy guitars, why not basses?). Guess what, you aren't going to get a replacement axe in time for the concert! On the other hand, if you use a Fender CS, A high end Ibby, a Yamaha, or whatever. You axe gets destroyed, you can walk down to Joe's music, pickup an off the shelf Fender, Ibby, Yamaha, or whatever and your tech will get it "pretty" close so the girls still scream on Monday.

Its the same reason that you see so many Ibanez Sound Geras in studios. If you have played one of a particular model, you have played them all. Good, decent, factory bass. Fast neck, consistent build , same sound instrument to instrument. Not that it is the best bass, or the most desired bass, or the best finish and fit, just a good solid instrument that gives you consistentency.

My "tongue in cheek" (we really need a Smiley with a tongue in cheek) post earlier not with standing, I think the reason that those who choose to play boutique basses (I don't really have a boutique bass unless a Fender CS counts) aren't trying to "show off" or flaunt our money, talent, or superior ability (my talent is strictly middle of the road and some say it should stay there in the hopes that it'll be hit by the next Dog heading out of town). Its because we have a notion or love of the craft that CAN go into an instrument. We want that every finish isn't the same, that every route isn't necessarily perfect, that every screw head isn't aligned or body cut by a computer so they are all alike. We want those little foilibles that make people human and art art.

Same reason concert violinists search out a Stradivarius or an Amatti. Although I have heard these same violinists ID one of these instruments in blind taste tests.

I don't take my instruments for granted. I usually pick a bass first for the way it "feels" when I pick it up. Someone here said, the way "it talks to me". And not all of my basses would be considered "collectors" or high end or even desirable. I mean, I have basses that cost $49 when a standard Fender went for $300. Supros, Guyatones, Danos etc...But they talk to me, they have personality. Maybe the personality of a stew bum, but personality all the same.

There is nothing wrong with your SX, Your Jay Turser, Your Eastwood. It serves you well. And no one is dising you because thats your ax.But if you are the type of musician that appreciates his axe for more than making pretty noise, I'd bet a dollar to a donut (that saying really needs updating) that someday, you'll have a few extra bucks and you'll go to Sadowskys site, or Laklands, or Overwater (My latest add to the GAS list) and think about it.
 
The one thing I can think of that makes a boutique instrument worthwhile is that buyer can get the bass made exactly the way he or she wants it (if the right luthier can be found).

For example, a bass I created in my mind was a set-neck Fender (or clone) 62 p-bass with Olympic white nitrocellulose finish on body, neck and headstock, gold hardware, gold pickup cover, no pickguard, bell brass frets and brass string nut, and ebony fretboard with no markers and black fretboard binding.

I've never seen a p-bass like that, but I have seen some custom shop Warwicks (photos) with a similar look.

Who knows, the bass may sound like dog doo doo, or it may sound great. But it is made according to the owners wants and needs and that’s what makes the special in my view.
 
The one thing I can think of that makes a boutique instrument worthwhile is that buyer can get the bass made exactly the way he or she wants it (if the right luthier can be found).

For example, a bass I created in my mind was a set-neck Fender (or clone) 62 p-bass with Olympic white nitrocellulose finish on body, neck and headstock, gold hardware, gold pickup cover, no pickguard, bell brass frets and brass string nut, and ebony fretboard with no markers and black fretboard binding.

I've never seen a p-bass like that, but I have seen some custom shop Warwicks (photos) with a similar look.

Who knows, the bass may sound like dog doo doo, or it may sound great. But it is made according to the owners wants and needs and that’s what makes the special in my view.

Hi HI, Thats sounds real nice! Cool look, the gold on white. The only thing I think I'd change is add a pick guard, I think Ps and J's look naked without a pick guard. Course, I think the point here is "getting it your way." In any even, we'll be able to tell out ours apart. You can claim the color scheme tho:D as a signature Hawaiian Islander.
 
If one cannot find his/her ideal bass in the "factory" world or in the "already made" world, then custom / high end / boutique is the way to go. My avatar Dingwall Z1, my Dingwall Z3 as well as many other of my basses did not exist in the real world before I ordered them
 
What exactly is wrong with the stock American Fender tuners and bridge -- are you having tuning problems? I think the tuners are made by Schaller or Hipshot, no? Ability to take a setup? Again what problems have you had with typical American Fenders? Amount of noise it makes? Again? American Fenders use CTS pots and basically the same type of pickups as Sadowsky, Lakland, etc. And I don't recall you stating that an "experienced tech" pronounced "boutiques" better than say stock American Fenders, I believe those were your words, Cheese. "Better" is a normative term and just because you think one bass is "better" than another doesn't make it a scientific fact? You really didn't think this thread would turn into a flame fest? Hey get over it!

Edit to add smiley face: :)

Based on my experience American Fenders do have quite poor wood at least during the last 5 or more years. I've been visiting bass stores all over the Europe and the result is the same. There's also bad fret work too often, dead spots etc. The pickups are ok but the boutique pickups like SD Antiquities sound so much better. Of course, it's a matter of taste and brand belief but I personally prefer not to pick up any new Fender unless it's CS. I have had also some bad experiences with old expensive Fenders from 60s. Big price but poor tone and playability. But in the same time I have had a dull sounding Sadowsky as well. Sold it and thought that Sadowsky must just a hype. Luckily I got later two excellent Sadowskys which played and sounded much better. So it depends. :)
 
There's just no question that Alembic or Sadowski mops the floor with any commercial bass out there.

:)
That's just silly an ill-informed.

Same with all instruments, right. I mean why hunt the world over for a Stradivarious when you can pick up a Willehelm for $395 just about anywhere?
Enough with the Stradivarius reference. Again, silly. These instruments are in a different universe than our slabs of lumber.
Your missing a big reason here, as to why "pros" don't use boutique basses. ..... Your Overwater bass is distroyed by, lets say , Untied Airlines.... On the other hand, if you use a Fender CS, A high end Ibby, a Yamaha, or whatever. You axe gets destroyed, you can walk down to Joe's music, pickup an off the shelf Fender, Ibby, Yamaha, or whatever and your tech will get it "pretty" close so the girls still scream on Monday.
Pretty good reason, if you ask me.
 
you people act as if your coffee table basses are so much better, yet 90% of the Pros don't use them (go to concerts and see all the fenders, gibsons, musicmans, etc.).

Plus the boutiques are a different flavor every week. Someone builds an allparts fender ripoff and you guys herald it as the best thing since sliced bread. just cause it's $6000 for a jbass copy with fralins. what a joke.

so you like $7000 coffee table basses? great, who cares, don't be an elitist about it. fenders are great basses just like your boutique stuff, different flavors for different folks, neither is "better".

6-7K for a custom is on the high side. Think of it in terms of the 'vintage' market. Old Fenders start at $2500 and go up to $15k+. It's the same with the 'boutique' market. You can get anything you want within the price range. I'm sure that you could spec out a $6k Jazz bass, but I think that your example is a gross exageration. When you look at real numbers, it doesn't seem so crazy.

As to 90% of 'pro' bassists playing a Fender---well, I couldn't care less about what 90% of the bassists are doing these days. Don't get me wrong, I still love my Fender, but most of the music today is just prefab garbage. Why should I care about what instruments they use to make it?

I don't have any major issues with production basses. I own a few. I love them. But, I am open minded toward other instruments.
 
BTW, I should reinforce the offer I made a year or so ago to any Sadowsky or AC owners in central Fla to record your bass and post the results on here to see if people can tell the difference between it and an SX.
 
BTW, I should reinforce the offer I made a year or so ago to any Sadowsky or AC owners in central Fla to record your bass and post the results on here to see if people can tell the difference between it and an SX.

I have a lot of clips posted:smug:.

Again, there are a couple of issues here. Sound is one thing, playability, lack of deadspots, feel, even-ness of tone up and down the neck, quality of the B string tone, weight, balance, noise floor, etc., etc. are also important to many. As many have said above, if you are happy with the SX, then that is cool.

If you play an old tube amp and a vintage sealed cab, and use flatwounds on your instrument, tonal difference between any basses get a little more, well, let's say 'subtle'. Also, if you play 4 strings, things get a little 'easier' regarding finding a decent instrument at a good price 'off the rack'. If you like new roundwounds, play 5 or 6 string instruments, and play out of a more transparent full range rig, or enjoy going direct in the studio or live, things get a little more, well, less subtle:smug:

Since I'm more of a player than 'collector', I too have little interest in wooden knobs and AAAAAAA Koa or whatever (although I totally understand the allure of that also, and have been there myself!). However, finding a 5 string that has all the qualities mentioned above (lighweight, limited dead spots, even tone from top to bottom, perfect playability, quiet electronics that sound good, etc., etc.) is actually worth a couple thousand more dollars to me personally. As many have said above, to many, that would be a waste of money.
 
BTW, I should reinforce the offer I made a year or so ago to any Sadowsky or AC owners in central Fla to record your bass and post the results on here to see if people can tell the difference between it and an SX.

They could sound exactly the same- that would have nothing to do with the premise of this thread. The thread is about the quality of parts and finish- nothing to do with sound, feel, looks, or what suits one best as a player. The point was that it's okay if a boutique has the better parts- that doesn't mean it will have all the other stuff which is more important in the end and could exist in either a boutique or cheap bass.

It seems like a LOT of folks are reading the thread title and replying without reading the original post to see what it says.