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Brainless Environmentalists

#24
soulgeezer said:
You literally can't make this stuff up! :D
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Actually, it WAS made up:


However, the race is most famous for a speech Smathers never gave.[2] A reporter made up a hoax that Smathers gave a speech to a rural audience using fancy words to create the implication that Pepper was sinister. Smathers reportedly had said, "Are you aware that Claude Pepper is known all over Washington as a shameless extrovert? Not only that, but this man is reliably reported to practice nepotism with his sister-in-law, and he has a sister who was once a thespian in wicked New York. Worst of all, it is an established fact that Mr. Pepper before his marriage habitually practiced celibacy,"[3] While it is sometimes said that Time Magazine reported these items, the magazine actually referred to the quote as a "yarn."[4] The leading reported who actually covered Smathers said he always gave the same hum-drum speech. No Florida newspapers covering the campaign ever reported such remarks contemporaneously. Smathers offered $10,000 to anyone who could prove he said it, and to this day there have been no takers.[5][1]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smathers

I know Wiki can be a bit dicey but the article contains verifiable references.
 
#28
OctoberMooN said:
Actually, it WAS made up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smathers

I know Wiki can be a bit dicey but the article contains verifiable references.
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This article from Time does not refer to it as a yarn, but rather as a cold fact:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,915567,00.html?promoid=googlep

"Pepper's liberal domestic record and his sympathy for the war-battered Russians made him the target of right-wingers in 1950. In a McCarthy era Senate campaign against his former protege, George Smathers, he was branded "Red" Pepper and a "spellbinding pinko."

Smathers told rural Florida voters that Pepper was "a known extravert," a man who "practiced celibacy" before marriage and who indulged in "nepotism with his sister-in-law."

Smathers won and forced Pepper from political office..."

Apparently, Wikipedia got it wrong about Time. So, why would I believe anything else they have to say on the matter?
 
#32
Most are brainless. Good hearts, and caring people, but without a clue as to the big picture. It's too bad because some of the folks on the other side have no hearts. It's a small few who can see through the smoke being blown by both sides and try do be constructive and reasonable.
One example is a very prominent Global Warming crier who flys on his private jet everywhere. Disheartening.
 
#33
OctoberMooN said:
Like I said, don't believe Wiki, believe Time:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,805369,00.html
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In this one, Time seems to be on the fence. How do you judge, when primary sources contradict themselves?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,868791,00.html

That said, the article from Time cited in the Wikipedia article is from 1950. (And, by the way, did you miss the sentence before the word "yarn" was used? Quote: "Smathers was capable of going to any length in campaigning, but he indignantly denied that he had gone as far as a story printed in northern newspapers. The story wouldn't die, nonetheless, and it deserved not to.")

The two articles I have provided are from much later and benefit, one would think, from years of fact-checking before they were written. I'm not really sure what to think, but I'll go with "He probably said it," based on the evidence I've seen.
 
#34
RWP said:
It's true. It's like global warming. The weather man can't tell you what the weather will be next week, how can he tell you what it will be in 100 years? :rollno:
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You can't....exactly....but it is actually easier to tell a generality like an average temperature based on currently available data. The thing is, there are more than qualified scientists on BOTH sides who can't agree on the data or the meaning of the data. So.....let's agree on this...
The temperature is rising.
It has risen before and fallen (remember the Ice Age?)
We (humans) may affect it
We (humans) may not

There are many reasons other than Global Warming to:
Reduce driving when possible
Reduce usage of oil where possible. For the U.S. especially Arab-controlled oil.
Not put Aerosols into the air
Use more efficient lighting

Those things are not "nut job" ideas, and they are things that each of us CAN do right now. Maybe they help the "Global Warming Problem". Maybe there is no "Global Warming Problem", and it is a natural cycle we cannot affect.

But, they are good things to do for our health, our families' health, our enviromnent.
 
#35
Enchanter_Tim said:
You can't....exactly....but it is actually easier to tell a generality like an average temperature based on currently available data. The thing is, there are more than qualified scientists on BOTH sides who can't agree on the data or the meaning of the data. So.....let's aggree on this...
The temperature is rising.
It has risen before and fallen
We (humans) may affect it
We (humans) may not

There are many reasons other than Global Warming to:
Reduce driving when possible
Reduce usage of oil where possible
Not put Aerosols into the air
Use more efficient lighting

Those things are not "nut job" ideas, and they are things that each of us CAN do right now. Maybe they help the "Global Warming Problem". Maybe there is noi Global Warmiong Problem, and it is a natural cycle we cannot affect.

But, they are good things to do for our health, our families' health, our enviromnent.
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STOP!!!! Put down your marshmallows and focus. That goes for you too Chili... The bong is behind the couch.:rollno:

No, I don't know where your car keys are.
 
#39
People actually do die, somewhat regularly, from drinking too much water - and not because of their bladders bursting either, but from water intoxication. There was a case recently of a radio station that held a contest for listeners to win a Wii by drinking the most water. One woman drank in excess of 8 litres of water or so (that's like 2 or 4 gallons.. I think 4 litres to a gallon), and I think she may have ended up winning, but she went home and later that night died from all the water.

It basically lowers your electrolights and sodium to the point where you body can no longer function. Scary! Some people do it to a less severe extent to get high because it makes you feel stoned.
 

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