I think he is going to kill Jesse and I read that Vince Gilligan has hinted at it.
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Breaking Bad coming back
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I think he is going to kill Jesse and I read that Vince Gilligan has hinted at it.
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So fill me in on the cigarette. I thought Walt still had the ricin capsule at his house. I remember the kid being poisoned but what am I missing here?
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Jesse realizes how Huell picked his pocket the first time to get the ricin cigarette. Jesse had thought Brock took the cig. Now Huell switched the weed for cigs and Jesse realize this isn't the first time Saul's guy has pulled this switcheroo.
Walt poisoned the kid with something brewed up from the flowers in his backyard (Lily of the Valley). He had Saul's dude steal the cigarette so that Jesse would think he had boo-boo'd and let the kid get poisoned from the ricin cigarette.
Jesse just connected all the dots
Well, considering that tonight's episode ended with Jesse dumping gasoline all over Walt's house and yet from the flash forwards we know that the house is intact a year into the future, clearly someone stops Jesse from torching the place.
Word.
I did the "sync" online with the show and the photo of Walt hugging Jesse was pretty telling. The look on his face could re-freeze melted ice cubes.
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I did the online story sync for the first time. Kind of fun, but a little distracting. Will probably continue.
OK..I remember Jesse having the ricin cig that he was going to use to poison Gus. And I remember that the kid was poisoned. So, am I correct that Jess thought the kid stole the cig and got poisoned that way when really Walt had Huell steal the cig from Jesse and Walt poisoned the kid that way? Why did Walt want to poison the kid in the first place? My memory is fuzzy on that part.
The Ricin is still behind the outlet cover at this point.
Walt used Lily of the Valley to poison Brock to get Jesse away from his plan to blow up Gus and his button man. He knew he couldn't protect Jesse and deal with Gus at the same time, and luck helped when the cops came and snatched Jesse up from the hospital after he opened his yap- "...tell em to test for Ricin!..."
Walt will convince Jesse that they found the Ricin cig in the Roomba. The house will be gassy but not burned up.
Walt used Lily of the Valley to poison Brock to get Jesse away from his plan to blow up Gus and his button man. He knew he couldn't protect Jesse and deal with Gus at the same time, and luck helped when the cops came and snatched Jesse up from the hospital after he opened his yap- "...tell em to test for Ricin!..."
Walt will convince Jesse that they found the Ricin cig in the Roomba. The house will be gassy but not burned up.
If I remember correctly, he wanted to blame Brock's poisoning on Gus to motivate Jesse to send him to Belize.
Oh yeah! First episode of this season was a flash-forward where Walt went into the house and took it out of the outlet cover. I totally forgot about that
OK..I remember the ricin behind the wall outlet in the "flash forward". So, the cig that poisoned Brock wasn't the ricin, but was the Lily of the Valley stuff? I thought Jesse was using the ricin to poison Gus though?
He was trying, but he never had an opportunity. So the ricin was in Jesse's cigarette pack. But Jesse figured out last night when Huell took the weed off him without him noticing, that the same thing happened with the cigarettes. That's how Saul gave it back to Walt.
Walt won't be able to convince Jesse that he didn't poison Brock because Saul already told him that he didn't know what Walt was going to do.
I find it funny that some people still debate whether or not Walt poisoned Brock. The episode where Walt cleans up his apartment of the bomb materials after he blows Gus up shows him putting a Lily of the Valley in the truck of his car to get rid of it. The only thing we don't know is how he did it. But Vince Gilligan says he imagines that Walt made it into Candy and showed up at Brock's school and gave it to him. I read on IMDB that someone thinks that's true. I forget the episode, but it's the one after Brock was poisoned. Saul's secretary is shown shredding things and someone observed that one of the documents looks like a school schedule.
I thought Jesse informed Walt (on the top level of the hospital parking structure (either last episode of season 4 or first of season 5)) that Brock must've eaten berries from the plant because they look and taste good. How they were introduced was never mentioned.
Huell has some slippery moves!
Huell has some slippery moves!
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Here's a good summary of the whole ricin cigarette Brock Gus Huell etc plot line: Link Removed
1)In "End Times," to get Jesse back on his side in the war against Gus, Walt arranges for Huell to steal the cigarette pack with the ricin cigarette out of Jesse's pocket and replace it with a different pack. Saul calls Jesse to his office on shaky reasons, and Huell pats him down in a way that gets Jesse's attention. Walt doesn't use the ricin to poison Brock, but rather a lily of the valley plant that will have a similar but less dangerous effect on the boy.
2)When Jesse hears that Brock has been poisoned, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, then (correctly) puts two and two together that Huell stole it, on Walt's orders. He storms into Walt's house and threatens to kill him for poisoning Brock; Walt convinces Jesse that it was Gus, not him, who wanted to hurt the boy — specifically so Jesse would come to this conclusion and murder Walt for him — and that Tyrus must have lifted the cigarettes from Jesse's locker at the Super Lab. Jesse accepts that Mr. White would never hurt a child, whereas Gus has a history of hurting children, and lets go of the theory about Huell.
3)Doctors later figure out that Brock was poisoned by a lily of the valley, not ricin, making Jesse doubt Walt's theory about Gus manipulating Jesse into shooting Walt, and leaving him to wonder what really happened to the ricin cigarette. Walt stages a phony search of Jesse's house and plants a fake cigarette (containing salt, not ricin) inside Jesse's Roomba. None of this sits well with Jesse, but he once again believes Mr. White.
4)Over the course of season 5, starting around the murder of Drew Sharp, Jesse has begun to realize that he shouldn't believe anything Walt says. Walt claims to be broken up over Drew's death, then whistles while he works. Walt claims that Mike left town alive, when Jesse knows that Walt would've never taken out Mike's guys unless Mike was dead. Walt gives Jesse a whole song and dance about how leaving town will be good for Jesse, when Jesse knows that it will be even better for Walt.
5)Having been primed to disbelieve any word out of Walt's mouth, Jesse goes to Saul's office, lights up a joint and gets scolded by Saul, who knows his relocation expert won't pick up anyone who's high. Saul orders Huell to again pick Jesse's pocket to get rid of the marijuana.
6)At the pick-up spot, a nervous Jesse reaches for his pot, and can't find it. He frantically checks all his pockets, but all he finds is a cigarette pack. Staring at the cigarette pack, and realizing Huell dipped into his pocket without him noticing, Jesse realizes that his first suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct, and that Mr. White was manipulating him into turning against Gus, endangering Brock's life in the process.
That the ricin wasn't actually used on Brock is beside the point. Jesse knew from the beginning that Huell had picked his pocket, and that he must have done it on Mr. White's orders. He has been thinking about this often in the months since it happened — far more often and more intensely than those of us watching the show have, and in a more compressed time period. When he realizes Huell picked his pocket, and stares at another crumpled cigarette pack, everything clicks into place about the events of "End Times" — including how convenient it was that this terrible thing happened to Brock, which turned Jesse back into Walt's ally, at the exact moment Walt needed an ally against Gus — and he goes on the warpath against Saul, Huell and that ******* Mr. White.
You may disagree with whether Jesse would have put all the pieces together like that, but that's what happened.
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at [email protected]
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1)In "End Times," to get Jesse back on his side in the war against Gus, Walt arranges for Huell to steal the cigarette pack with the ricin cigarette out of Jesse's pocket and replace it with a different pack. Saul calls Jesse to his office on shaky reasons, and Huell pats him down in a way that gets Jesse's attention. Walt doesn't use the ricin to poison Brock, but rather a lily of the valley plant that will have a similar but less dangerous effect on the boy.
2)When Jesse hears that Brock has been poisoned, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, then (correctly) puts two and two together that Huell stole it, on Walt's orders. He storms into Walt's house and threatens to kill him for poisoning Brock; Walt convinces Jesse that it was Gus, not him, who wanted to hurt the boy — specifically so Jesse would come to this conclusion and murder Walt for him — and that Tyrus must have lifted the cigarettes from Jesse's locker at the Super Lab. Jesse accepts that Mr. White would never hurt a child, whereas Gus has a history of hurting children, and lets go of the theory about Huell.
3)Doctors later figure out that Brock was poisoned by a lily of the valley, not ricin, making Jesse doubt Walt's theory about Gus manipulating Jesse into shooting Walt, and leaving him to wonder what really happened to the ricin cigarette. Walt stages a phony search of Jesse's house and plants a fake cigarette (containing salt, not ricin) inside Jesse's Roomba. None of this sits well with Jesse, but he once again believes Mr. White.
4)Over the course of season 5, starting around the murder of Drew Sharp, Jesse has begun to realize that he shouldn't believe anything Walt says. Walt claims to be broken up over Drew's death, then whistles while he works. Walt claims that Mike left town alive, when Jesse knows that Walt would've never taken out Mike's guys unless Mike was dead. Walt gives Jesse a whole song and dance about how leaving town will be good for Jesse, when Jesse knows that it will be even better for Walt.
5)Having been primed to disbelieve any word out of Walt's mouth, Jesse goes to Saul's office, lights up a joint and gets scolded by Saul, who knows his relocation expert won't pick up anyone who's high. Saul orders Huell to again pick Jesse's pocket to get rid of the marijuana.
6)At the pick-up spot, a nervous Jesse reaches for his pot, and can't find it. He frantically checks all his pockets, but all he finds is a cigarette pack. Staring at the cigarette pack, and realizing Huell dipped into his pocket without him noticing, Jesse realizes that his first suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct, and that Mr. White was manipulating him into turning against Gus, endangering Brock's life in the process.
That the ricin wasn't actually used on Brock is beside the point. Jesse knew from the beginning that Huell had picked his pocket, and that he must have done it on Mr. White's orders. He has been thinking about this often in the months since it happened — far more often and more intensely than those of us watching the show have, and in a more compressed time period. When he realizes Huell picked his pocket, and stares at another crumpled cigarette pack, everything clicks into place about the events of "End Times" — including how convenient it was that this terrible thing happened to Brock, which turned Jesse back into Walt's ally, at the exact moment Walt needed an ally against Gus — and he goes on the warpath against Saul, Huell and that ******* Mr. White.
You may disagree with whether Jesse would have put all the pieces together like that, but that's what happened.
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at [email protected]
Read more at Link Removed
