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Double Bass Brian Bromberg

I heard and saw him Monday night at the Jazz Standard with his band the Downright Upright All-Stars. It was some fantastic playing. They played stuff from the new record, much more funk-oriented than Wood II, and it was totally enjoyable.

Brian played a solo version of the Beatles' Come Together. The two-handed tapping on the neck on that tune, and on other tunes, was astounding --not to take away from other techniques he used. As you all know, Come Together is a blues. It starts in D, goes to the dominant A, and then to G. Brian used the open D and A strings as pedal tones for those chords, but when he got to the G chord he was tapping the low G on the E string with his right hand, and maybe playing some other notes with that hand, while providing harmony by tapping with his left. Great intonation. The only musician I can think of to compare it to is Eddie Van Halen, inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame the same night, but he has frets.

I got home and tried to get a G sound by tapping on my E string, but it was hopless, barely even a thud. Maybe the Weichs help him some there, and perhaps lower action, I don't know. Obviously his hands and his skill are predominanatly responsible.

He had a veritable arsenal of amplification. When he was fooling around unamplified before the set started I could barely hear the bass, even though I was only about ten feet away. His amp died about thirty seconds into the first song, and there were so many pickups and chords and preamps and stomp boxes that it took several minutes just to locate the problem. Then it took I don't know how long --ten minutes or more?-- to route all the stuff into a new amp, an Eden 2x10 or 2x12, which didn't sound as good as the huge Epifani 4x10 / 2x12 combo he started with.

That part was a drag for a few minutes, but the music more than made up for it. The band was great. It was a great swinging, funky musical experience.
 
Let me start by saying that I really dig Brian's thing and I think he is a truly gifted musician.

He had a veritable arsenal of amplification. When he was fooling around unamplified before the set started I could barely hear the bass, even though I was only about ten feet away. His amp died about thirty seconds into the first song, and there were so many pickups and chords and preamps and stomp boxes that it took several minutes just to locate the problem. Then it took I don't know how long --ten minutes or more?-- to route all the stuff into a new amp, an Eden 2x10 or 2x12, which didn't sound as good as the huge Epifani 4x10 / 2x12 combo he started with.

This would have ruined the show for me. Part of what makes it possible for Eddie Van Halen to do what he does is insane amounts of gain. I guess I don't equate that with DB.

That said, who am I to talk? I wish I could play half the stuff he does.
 
That said, who am I to talk? I wish I could play half the stuff he does.

You're a musician with an opinion. That's enough to be able to talk.
I get a little tired with that attitude we all have from time to time, and I do it too; that somehow because bassist #1 has amazing technique and is a name we're not allowed to call him/her on what we don't like. F that.
Personally, I don't wish for his technique. I could care less about that. I wish for a deeper musical persona, not Van Halen chops on upright.
 
F that.
Personally, I don't wish for his technique. I could care less about that. I wish for a deeper musical persona, not Van Halen chops on upright.

On one hand, I completely understand what you're trying to say. On the other, feel free to post soundclips of your deeper musical persona at any time.
 
Right on MM5. I agree with you 100%. I just have trouble having an opinion about stuff like this when I have so much of my own **** to work on.

Personally I post as much of my own playing as possible. Can I play like Brian Bromberg? Not even close but I am comfortable with where I am and always working to get better.
 
On one hand, I completely understand what you're trying to say. On the other, feel free to post soundclips of your deeper musical persona at any time.

He said he WISHED for a deeper musical persona, not that he HAD one. He just made a post about how he doesn't like the attitude that certain people are beyond criticism because they're great players, and then you pulled the ole "Oh yeah, well Bromberg is better than you.":D I realize you're probably only half serious, but still....

I know you're a fan of BB, but you have to admit he's very chops-oriented and has some questionable material on his records (I like Kansas as much as the next guy, but Carry on Wayward Son on a record full of standards???). You have to expect that some people aren't going to dig the dude!
 
He said he WISHED for a deeper musical persona, not that he HAD one. He just made a post about how he doesn't like the attitude that certain people are beyond criticism because they're great players, and then you pulled the ole "Oh yeah, well Bromberg is better than you.":D I realize you're probably only half serious, but still....

My response was meant more in the spirit of, "I agree with your point, and yet...I wonder why you felt it necessary to make it in that way (with a negative spin on BB rather than a positive spin on your goals)". In fact, I don't know if BB is "better" than MM5 or not, since I've never heard MM5 play; all I know at this point is that BB can play circles around me. :)

NHØP isn't my cuppa, but the last thing I would want to do is to bust on him for having a ton of chops. I just don't really see the point, and I can't think of a way to say it that doesn't at least hint at sour grapes.

I know you're a fan of BB, but you have to admit he's very chops-oriented and has some questionable material on his records (I like Kansas as much as the next guy, but Carry on Wayward Son on a record full of standards???). You have to expect that some people aren't going to dig the dude!

Yep, I'm a fan, but not a blind one. Most of "Wood II" isn't my cuppa either. But that doesn't mean that he's all flash, or that his playing can be reduced to and summarily dismissed as "Van Halen chops on upright". I've done a few lifts of Brian's stuff, and to me, they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that, "chops oriented" or not, the man knows how to play changes when he wants to, and he ends up playing lines that many horn players would envy. He does certain things that I might choose not to do, or not do as often, if I had the ability to do them in the first place. And like many others, I like the way higher string height feels and sounds. But in spite of all of that, I do feel that Brian has raised the bar a bit in some ways, and I would like to give him props for that at the same time as others are expressing their slightly less than complimentary opinions (which they also have a right to do). I'm attaching a lift of Brian playing on "Dolphin Dance", in case anyone would like to argue that Brian can't play over difficult changes. :)

So sure, speak your mind about what you like and don't. And if you feel the need to say something negative about a player in print in public, be prepared for others to speak their minds as well.
 

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I see its as 2 aspects of Jazz - so at a live gig, blazing chops can be very exciting for an audience and adds to the experience immensely - you feel you are watching somebody at the edge of what can be achieved, responding to fellow musicians and the audience's expectations, or maybe just enjoy their command of the instrument...etc. etc.

This may leave you cold on record however and it may fall flat without that atmosphere and excitement of the moment - so something that is going to be replayed maybe needs more reason to exist than just sheer virtuosity?

Of course the best artists could do both at the same time - but it's all part of Jazz in my view?
 
Whatever it says about me, that's what cinched it for me--I'm going to get this album.

There's a time and place for solo bass versions of Kansas tunes (I think), and BB's version of Shining Star on the same record is actually pretty dang cool, but in my opinion the choice of tunes is kind of all over the map. When there's tunes in several very different genres it ruins the continuity of the record. That's no reason not to buy it though, so I hope you enjoy it!
 
Yeah -- geez, imagine doing something different and maybe even a bit humourous and risky. It couldn't possibly be appropriate or any good.

I suppose the funny thing is that whereas there's no denying virtuosity - for everything else, it just comes down to personal taste.

But some people like to impose their personal taste on others and say this is worth buying - but this is not, because...blah blah..

Whereas all they are really saying is - I don't like this - so you shouldn't too! :p
 
I suppose the funny thing is that whereas there's no denying virtuosity - for everything else, it just comes down to personal taste.

But some people like to impose their personal taste on others and say this is worth buying - but this is not, because...blah blah..

Whereas all they are really saying is - I don't like this - so you shouldn't too! :p

Y'know, Bruce, every now and then we agree absolutely. It took me a long time to stop saying "this sucks and is very bad" and to start saying "I don't like this."