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Broughton Audio Super Thread

A couple of questions please…

Does the Sunray post on Insta mean it’s coming???

if I didn’t care for the Silver Deluxe (Fender Tone Stack), will it be similar with the Super Stack?

thanks!

it certainly seems to imply that the Sunray is in the pipeline.
We will have to wait for a release date on the website.
Unless it ends up being a surprise drop. No one really knows.

I had a Silver Deluxe on my board, being used at 24v as a clean preamp. I thought the Super Stack would be a drop in replacement for it since they share a tonestack, with the Super Stack adding a bit of that tube goodness. After a trial run I ended up going back to the Silver Deluxe because I didn’t find them to be as similar as I had expected.
I use the Super Stack in a different board, I do really like it.
But my personal experience was that those two pedals aren’t as close to each other as one might expect.
I do enjoy that tone stack though.
 
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Signal path so far:
Peterson StroboStomp mini - Broughton Buffer / Bandwidth Amplifier - Origin Effects Cali76 Bass Compressor - Broughton High Pass Filter - JPTR FX Double Jive - …

Thought about putting the HPF after the first Jive effect that I use for saturation (second for overdrive).
Which way would you prefer? Which one makes more sense?

Thanks!

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Like @mouthmw I also put HPF last for room/PA/cab cleanup. I'm a bit curious if the BBA is redundant to the buffer in the Peterson? I know the BBA has additional filtering and boost options, but maybe not obvious after the Cali and Jivejive ?
 
it certainly seems to imply that the Sunray is in the pipeline.
We will have to wait for a release date on the website.
Unless it ends up being a surprise drop. No one really knows.

I had a Silver Deluxe on my board, being used at 24v as a clean preamp. I thought the Super Stack would be a drop in replacement for it since they share a tonestack, with the Super Stack adding a bit of that tube goodness. After a trial run I ended up going back to the Silver Deluxe because I didn’t find them to be as similar as I had expected.
I use the Super Stack in a different board, I do really like it.
But my personal experience was that those two pedals aren’t as close to each other as one might expect.
I do enjoy that tone stack though.
I had the opportunity to borrow a Super Stack from a buddy, and directly A/B it with the Silver Deluxe.
Twisting knobs left and right, to match them up.
Still have a different feel.

To me,the SS was more about warmth and fatness, while SD felt more about clarity and no-nonsense.


*Edit*
I did run the SD at 18V, as it would distort with my higher output basses at 9V.
 
Like @mouthmw I also put HPF last for room/PA/cab cleanup. I'm a bit curious if the BBA is redundant to the buffer in the Peterson? I know the BBA has additional filtering and boost options, but maybe not obvious after the Cali and Jivejive ?

I too would like to know this as Vertex Effects keeps trying to sell me on a better buffer than a Boss buffer, but I have no idea if the first buffer overrules downstream buffers because the signal has already changed impedance (like, does a 1M input buffer which is taking in an already buffered 100ohm signal re-process it, or is it happy with the already lowered impedance?). Deep in the snake oil on this.

Sonically, I do hear differences, but it could just be a "louder is better" thing.
 
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I too would like to know this as Vertex Effects keeps trying to sell me on a better buffer than a Boss buffer, but I have no idea if the first buffer overrules downstream buffers because the signal has already changed impedance (like, does a 1M input buffer which is taking in an already buffered 100ohm signal re-process it, or is it happy with the already lowered impedance?). Deep in the snake oil on this.

Sonically, I do hear differences, but it could just be a "louder is better" thing.
I wonder about this as well. Does Mr. Newton’s Conservation of Energy come into play, or can a gizmo regenerate lower impedances, or vice versa?
 
I had the opportunity to borrow a Super Stack from a buddy, and directly A/B it with the Silver Deluxe.
Twisting knobs left and right, to match them up.
Still have a different feel.

To me,the SS was more about warmth and fatness, while SD felt more about clarity and no-nonsense.


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I did run the SD at 18V, as it would distort with my higher output basses at 9V.

I agree the Silver Deluxe has a faster more immediate feel and the Super Stack is a bit fatter, warmer, slower.
I really like them both.

I didn’t fall in love with the Silver Deluxe until I started running it at 24v
 
The things stayed up for nearly two hours. ‘Verb flippers in shambles.
I think they're still available as of now, yeah? When I go to the website, I can add one to my cart. So over four hours. Demand is finally being met. That's great!

EDIT: did the cart quantity trick to check and there are 59 left at over five hours of the sale being open
The Archetype Boost seems to be getting flipped alot, is it not as good as previous offerings?

For those that have tried all the Broughton tube boosts, how would you rank them?
I wouldn't say that. I think what you are seeing is that folks newer to the Broughton game had a chance to get something especially rare and are trying to leverage it to obtain rare pedals of older production. I myself like the Archetype Valve Boost more than most Broughton Audio offerings: Dystopia, Sunder Fuzz, Maestro, Azure Drive, Fliptop, Rumblefish, Scorpion, Terraformer, etc. But, in my thinking anyway, such a comparison is kind of silly because the AVB is a boost and the FFXL is a utility pedal and the Sunray is a tube overdrive. They do different things and, when used properly, they each succeed in their own way. That said, when I approached the AVB as a boost I did not love it as much as I wanted to because it's not gritty enough to be a true dirty boost and it's too colored to be a transparent clean boost; but when I approached it as an end-of-signal tube tone sweetener I really loved it so that's where I now use it. I also really like how it stacks with the Valve Champ: the AVB tightens up the Valve Champ while the Valve Champ adds some more low-end weight to the AVB.

I don't believe there are enough items to rank as you ask (and such a ranking would only reflect my musical ecosystem and my ears anyway). Besides the Super Stack, is there another Broughton Audio tube boost? The Transboost, Solarian, Fliptop Boost, Studio Boost, Studio Boost Mini, Amplitude, and SVBoost aren't tube boosts and the Sunray, Quicksilver, Valve Champ, Archetype Valve Preamp pedal, EDTI pedal, and ATD 12AX7 have tubes but aren't boosts. I haven't played a Super Stack, but my understanding is it aims for a Fender EQ and the Archetype Valve Boost aims for Broughton Archetype EQ profile. They're just different *shrug* "Better" is up to the user's musical use case.
 
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I think they're still available as of now, yeah? When I go to the website, I can add one to my cart. So over four hours. Demand is finally being met. That's great!

I wouldn't say that. I like the Archetype Valve Boost more than most Broughton Audio offerings: Dystopia, Sunder Fuzz, Maestro, Azure Drive, Fliptop, Rumblefish, Scorpion, Terraformer, etc. But, in my thinking anyway, such a comparison is kind of silly because the AVB is a boost and the FFXL is a utility pedal and the Sunray is a tube overdrive. They do different things and, when used properly, they each succeed in their own way. That said, when I approached the AVB as a boost I did not love it as much as I wanted to because it's not gritty enough to be a true dirty boost and it's too colored to be a transparent clean boost; but when I approached it as an end-of-signal tube tone sweetener I really loved it so that's what I now use it as. I also really like how it stacks with the Valve Champ. Those two work especially well together: the AVB tightens up the Valve Champ while the Valve Champ adds some more low-end weight to the AVB.

I don't believe there are enough items to rank as you ask (and such a ranking would only reflect my musical ecosystem and my ears anyway). Besides the Super Stack, is there another Broughton Audio tube boost? The Transboost, Solarian, Fliptop Boost, Studio Boost Mini, Amplitude, and SVBoost aren't tube boosts and the Sunray, Quicksilver, Valve Champ, Archetype Valve Preamp pedal, EDTI pedal, and ATD 12AX7 have tubes but aren't boosts. I haven't played a Super Stack, but my understanding is it aims for a Fender EQ and the Archetype Valve Boost aims for Broughton Archetype EQ profile. They're just different *shrug* "Better" is up to the user's musical use case.
Oh, wow. When i visited the site, the “Buy” option was greyed out. Nevertheless he’s dumping 1,000 of them this year. Crazy goings on up there. I know that if you go onto the verb, there are a bunch of them up for stupid money. * Edited* Yesh, theyre still up!
 
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The Archetype Boost seems to be getting flipped alot, is it not as good as previous offerings?

For those that have tried all the Broughton tube boosts, how would you rank them?

This may seem like sacrilege... but after recently acquiring a Archetype Boost, and then doing a temp swap that included a Sunray, Quicksilver, and a Valve Champ, and playing with all of them in various combinations...

Warning- Highly subjective "cork sniffing" to follow:

For me, Archetype Boost was my favorite single pedal. Had a nice clarity and punchiness with some nice light breakup when really pushed.
Archetype Boost being fed by Valve Champ was a surprise, absolutely delicious and went together like peanut butter and jelly. My favorite combo of all of the above. Valve Champ added a nice natural sounding extension to the gain range on the Archetype Boost without altering it's lovely character.

Quick Silver and Sun Ray were both very good as well, but didn't play together with the others nearly as nicely.
Both seemed to get much more compressed and boxy when any other boost was fed into them, and didn't have the break up range I'd dreamed of from the Quick Silver on it's own.
Sun Ray was a bit darker and "woolier" when gain was cranked, and Quick Silver a bit less "tube warm" and natural compared to the Archetype. A touch more brittle/harshness on the break up.

I only had all of them for a brief time, and had to test at apartment "friendly" volume, so possible they might bloom a bit more if let of their chain, and with more volume.

Tested with a Mesa Boogie TT-800 through Mesa Boogie Subway 115 cab, primarily on the Boogie channel with tube preamp, but did venture into the Subway channel briefly as well.

Regrettably didn't have time to bust out and hook up the Archetype Mains Pre and Baby Sumo power rig for additional testing.
 
This may seem like sacrilege... but after recently acquiring a Archetype Boost, and then doing a temp swap that included a Sunray, Quicksilver, and a Valve Champ, and playing with all of them in various combinations...

Warning- Highly subjective "cork sniffing" to follow:

For me, Archetype Boost was my favorite single pedal. Had a nice clarity and punchiness with some nice light breakup when really pushed.
Archetype Boost being fed by Valve Champ was a surprise, absolutely delicious and went together like peanut butter and jelly. My favorite combo of all of the above. Valve Champ added a nice natural sounding extension to the gain range on the Archetype Boost without altering it's lovely character.

Quick Silver and Sun Ray were both very good as well, but didn't play together with the others nearly as nicely.
Both seemed to get much more compressed and boxy when any other boost was fed into them, and didn't have the break up range I'd dreamed of from the Quick Silver on it's own.
Sun Ray was a bit darker and "woolier" when gain was cranked, and Quick Silver a bit less "tube warm" and natural compared to the Archetype. A touch more brittle/harshness on the break up.

I only had all of them for a brief time, and had to test at apartment "friendly" volume, so possible they might bloom a bit more if let of their chain, and with more volume.

Tested with a Mesa Boogie TT-800 through Mesa Boogie Subway 115 cab, primarily on the Boogie channel with tube preamp, but did venture into the Subway channel briefly as well.

Regrettably didn't have time to bust out and hook up the Archetype Mains Pre and Baby Sumo power rig for additional testing.
Sunray and Quicksilver remain my all-time favorites (which one depends on the day), but I agree with your characterization of each of these pedals and the AVB + VC combination. It's good to know that I am not alone in what I hear :)

I disagree the Sunray and Quicksilver don't play as well with the others: I think that's true of their interactions with the AVB (though it depends on what feeds what), but not true of one another (Quicksilver into Sunray is great! Sunray into Quicksilver is also great!) or how they interact with the Valve Champ.
 
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