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Brutal open Acoustic jam experience

Yea, I should have been clued in when it was billed as "acoustic".

I have a good friend that I've known for years, in fact he was the guitarist in my first band. He has had his share of self induced bad knocks, and struggles with alcoholism. He is on disability, and all he really has left in his life is his music. He has been sober for many months now, and honestly I'm very proud of him. I get together with him about once a week lately, where we are working up some songs, him on acoustic guitar, me on fretless bass. He still has chops and can sing, but it's nothing serious, and I'm really doing this to give him something to live for and stay sober. We have talked about working enough material up to do a show, I'm super busy, but it if keeps him sober, I'll put the time in for him.

Now that you know the background, tonight he invited me to a jam, where we would get up and do a few songs. I agree, and meet him at the bar the jam is being held. I get there before him and have the fretless with me. I notice a few mics, a monitor, and the acoustic guitars are going direct. Hmm.

Long story short, the set up is not equipped to run an electric bass, and honestly I don't think they cared. I tried running direct, but they wouldn't put me in the monitor, which was overpoweringly loud with guitar and vox, so I had no way to hear myself play. I could have fudged it on a fretted, but not on a fretless. I tried playing about half a song, but I bowed out and took a seat. My friend played about four songs before he was done.

I felt bad leaving the stage, but with the organizer not wanting to work with me and playing a fretless, where I absolutely have to hear the notes, it was just left a bad taste in my mouth. It was obvious they weren't set up to have electric instruments, or just didn't want them. It was a very folky, bob Dylan feel for the rest of the hour I stayed. To top it off, there were some really, really bad players and singers that got up after us. Yikes.

My friend wants to go back next week (he is a semi-regular there I guess). And said he will bring a little amp for me to play through. I reluctantly agreed, forcing a smile.

My main issue is I felt because I was not playing an acoustic guitar, I wasn't really welcome. Im not a Prima Donna by any means, but this jam was well beneath my pay grade, if you will. The fretless bass and acoustic guitar play very well with each other, and over hundreds of acoustic shows I've played over the years, those two instruments alway fit together. I didn't feel there was any need for the underlying attitude.

I will do this for my friend next week, but it's going to be brutal. I've never been to a jam where I got the feeling that other instruments weren't welcome, but I sure did tonight.

Sorry for the rant, this just really bugged me tonight. I guess I will pay more attention to the word "acoustic" next time.
 
Next week plug into that amp and impress that crowd with some tasty fretless.
You're doing it for your friend anyway.. good on you.

Agreed, and I will. I was just taken back a little by it all tonight. I'm not really a fan of jam nights, and honestly I'd rather spend the time working up more songs to play our own show, but if that gives him his live fix for now, I will endure. The worst part was sitting through the rest of the night.

One can only hear "Brown Eyed Girl" done poorly a certain amount of times in one night before I would have to seek counseling myself.
 
I guess they will move this to BM or Live Sound. My 2c, if I didn't have a HPF for you there would be no bass in monitors from me either. I love fretless bass but those lows are killers of monitors.

If you are going to carry on with it you earned a Ubass. The ones without preamps neeeeed one for going direct into mixer.

I was playing a passive jazz fretless, with the bridge pickup only. Think Jaco burpee with mostly a midrange tone. The monitor was a professional grade with a 12 inch speaker. More than enough to be heard and handle my bass tone. Keep in mind, this wasn't a loud jam by any means. Without drums, even guitar players can be reasonable. I didn't need a lot, just enough to hear my pitch. If they would have turned down the guitar just a touch in the monitor, and add just a little of me, I would have been fine, but they didn't want to play ball
 
I was playing a passive jazz fretless, with the bridge pickup only. Think Jaco burpee with mostly a midrange tone. The monitor was a professional grade with a 12 inch speaker. More than enough to be heard and handle my bass tone. Keep in mind, this wasn't a loud jam by any means. Without drums, even guitar players can be reasonable. I didn't need a lot, just enough to hear my pitch. If they would have turned down the guitar just a touch in the monitor, and add just a little of me, I would have been fine, but they didn't want to play ball
Maybe they had a bad experience with lessor gear and forever wrote off bass in monitors. Whatever, I am sure you will be ok with a little amp, your heart is in the right place.
 
Sounds like a painful night and we can all empathize. It will be so much better next time with your own amp. Hopefully the fun you guys have playing makes up for the performers that want to make your ears cry. Stepping stone to a better jam.
 
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Maybe they had a bad experience with lessor gear and forever wrote off bass in monitors. Whatever, I am sure you will be ok with a little amp, your heart is in the right place.

Yea I will, and I'll wear a smile next week. I just had to vent to my bass buddies here lol. Maybe it's time to pick up a middle weight combo amp. my 212 gk cab would be too much, and my fender rumble 15 wouldn't cut it. Any suggestions?
 
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If your Rumble 15 won't cut it I got to think they were not altogether too silly nixing you from the monitors.

You mean 212 too much for the stage?

What was your bud thinking of bringing for you? I thought the idea was monitor amp?

If you want a big little combo to play to the room that's kinda risky as far as being allowed to rock up the acoustic session.

Rumble 15 and a lump of 4x2 to prop it up for monitoring? If they then take you out of the mains I guess you know not to bother coming back.
 
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If your Rumble 15 won't cut it I got to think they were not altogether too silly nixing you from the monitors.

You mean 212 too much for the stage?

What was your bud thinking of bringing for you? I thought the idea was monitor amp?

If you want a big little combo to play to the room that's kinda risky as far as being allowed to rock up the acoustic session.

Rumble 15 and a lump of 4x2 to prop it up for monitoring? If they then take you out of the mains I guess you know not to bother coming back.

I have a 100watt powered monitor wedge, I could just bring my Eden WTDI direct pedal and shape it a little into the wedge, and send a line to the foh. I completely forgot I have that. It's got a 12" driver and I could face it right at me. That might be perfect. See, gear hoarding does pay off sometimes, lol
 
Solved. It won't look like an amp so that should go some way to appeasing the acousticians. I tell ya though, they go nuts for the fretless Ubass doing the same damn thing.

I'm not a fan of acoustic style basses, and the ubass has those rubbery strings I just can't get past. With my friend I'm playing a lot of melody lines, the way the bass does in jazz, so I need a full scale bass to play the way I am with him.

Plus my fretless parts jazz looks and plays so nice. :)

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This would be the first jam I've ever been to that didn't have a back line provided in some sense.

That's very common in my world, especially if it's billed as an acoustic event. In some cases I would be expected to bring an upright and play it without an amp.
 
A guy I know called and asked me to play an acoustic jam. I said you want me to play ABG or electric. He picked electric. I've got a little 60W combo that is easy to carry and plenty loud for an acoustic jam, so that and my jazz did that once a month for quite a while before it ran it's course and burned out. I took an old beater bass and when someone would start trying to direct me, I'd hand them the bass and say "show me how". Not only did it blunt the posers, I learned a lot from some of them guys. :D
 
Borrow anyones ABG and then everyone will think it's acoustic. And you'll be ok. Plug it in, and they let you through the monitor. Or buy one, second hand, cheap, fretless, to get yourself through those pesky below your paygrade gigs.

Mind you this, it's even recommended by me, who has been slaying ABGs throughout this forum, since day one. People often misunderstands that, but it seems that that venue and gig is just relying on the looks. If its looks acoustic then all is well.
 
Yeah, but that's the thing with calling it acoustic. In my world, there's too much hypocrisy. I actually agree with people such as Pat Metheny, or Phil Woods (saxophonist) who said either it's acoustic or it's not. Not MTV unplugged... Keith Jarrett requires and craves totally acoustic solo piano concerts, but yet with his trio it's miked up. As fast as it is miked up, it's called HALF ACOUSTIC, or HALF ELECTRIC. I hate these names for acoustic guitars with a mic built in "Electro Acoustic". Everything miked up is by default half acoustic. It's silly that that name is used mostly to hollow body archtop guitars these days, or those Gibson ES-355 with f-holes. People scolded the term "New Age Acoustic" once, and it swiftly turned to "new age" only. Detractors said it wasn't any more acoustic than Kraftwerk. I tend to agree, full with unnatural chorus and ambient reverb added on top of the acoustic guitar. Beats me. Either it's electric or acoustic. Anything "in between" or miked up is half acoustic. Period.