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Building Muscle Memory: Practice 6 Hours a Day???

Can't argue with that but I suspect he didn't play the same thing over and over again for 6 hours.

There's no way you can assume that... From what I've read and seen of his practice regiment (through videos and his comments) I would absolutely assume that he did on a regular basis.

The take away I get from all this discussion is that people either discount or have no real concept of the power of a nearly obsessive work ethic. This is exactly why we have so few true musical "geniuses". Most folks assume it's some kind of magical God given talent. Almost 100% of the time it has to do with massive dedication.

Ironically, that lack of dedication is good for instrument sales. It's easier to sell millions of instruments to people who will, in the main, leave them in the closet. Average Joes buy basses over and over. It's way easier and presumably, more fun to buy new stuff than work with what you have in a meaningful way.

Jaco had exactly ONE bass. Coltrane had exactly ONE sax of each type.

Speaking of John Coltrane, he said himself that he would sometimes practice the C major scale for 8 straight hours. That's on top of all the other stuff he worked on. I already know that some individual will automatically think that means going up and down C major...
 
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There's no way you can assume that... From what I've read and seen of his practice regiment (through videos and his comments) I would absolutely assume that he did on a regular basis.
Speaking of John Coltrane, he said himself that he would sometimes practice the C major scale for 8 straight hours. That's on top of all the other stuff he worked on. I already know that some individual will automatically think that means going up and down C major...

Agreed but the video that the OP refers to makes no mention of looking at the finger exercise from different angles. Just repeat it over and over again. My point is that Jaco or Coltrane may have worked on a concept (or scale) for hours on end but from many different perspectives. They were both too curious about music to do it any other way IMHO.
 
Agreed but the video that the OP refers to makes no mention of looking at the finger exercise from different angles. Just repeat it over and over again. My point is that Jaco or Coltrane may have worked on a concept (or scale) for hours on end but from many different perspectives. They were both too curious about music to do it any other way IMHO.

I get what you are saying, but I feel that may be putting too fine a point on the big picture... That being, to be any good at this music thing, honestly, you have to put in the seat time. Generally to much higher degree than most people think is necessary or even possible...

That's just how I feel about it. Which has no real bearing on how anyone else should feel about it.
 
Yeah but see I'm not saying I want to be one of the greatest bassists in the world, I just wanna be good enough to play my music and be on a level of your average small-time metal musician. I don't want to be the best, I just want to be able.

Simply practice as long as you want, then stop. Or don't stop... Either way, no one will be offended. That's really all there is to it.
 
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I feel like I'm getting it. I own four basses but they all have identical necks (except one is fretless). I think that helps with the feel and memory.

In my church gig we get a lot of new songs and always read from music on stage, so it sort of forces you to not look at your fingers. I have only been playing 7 years and rarely have time to practice (or even horse around) for more than a few hours per WEEK.
 
There is no such thing as muscle memory. Call it whatever you like, but your muscles are incapable of storing memory. I AM a golf professional. LOL I don't have an instructor. I AM an instructor. And I was learning from sport scientist/performance experts about peak performance and how to attain it. And yes you can swing a golf club automatically. By that I mean you are not thinking of the mechanical processes during the act of making the swing. You are not thinking of anything but your target. The process of thinking occurs during practice and your pre-shot routine. Once you are ready to swing, the mind is focused on the target only. Sometimes in peak performance people experience "the zone" which is an even deeper level of automatic .
Google search about motor skill learning, and peak performance studies.
Also there is also no such thing as Mojo. That is just superstition.

"...Muscles are incapable of storing memory."
I'm pretty sure I said the same thing when I stated, "No one really believes that muscles have memory cells like your brain."

Superstition IMHO, is simply what someone calls a thing in which they don't believe.
The same could be said for other beliefs that people have.
You will call a thing superstition, which makes me think you believe in superstition.
Or is that just a catch-phrase you use to explain a concept or the process leading to an outcome?

I was only stating that the term Muscle Memory is used to describe a process or the outcome of a process.
Are you suggesting that there is no such thing as the process that is sometimes described as Muscle Memory, or that the phrase itself does not exist.
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The following are also my opinion: They are neither right or wrong and you can choose to believe them or not.

Mojo... Phil's got it by the bucket loads and Tiger has lost his.

Mojo... Flea's bass, has it.
The Fender Flea Signature Bass you buy in the store which looks like Flea's bass does not.

Pre-shot routine, a ritualistic set of thought process and movements used to summons your Mojo.

Zone... there are no deeper levels, or degrees if you will, of automatic. A thing is automatic or it is not.

How is your using the word Zone any different than me using the word Mojo, other than you believe in one and not the other?

I think people should be able to call a thing what they want to call it.
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You and I probably like different brands of golf balls, or prefer a certain shaft flex, grip, or driver loft.
To turn a phrase then, I might ask:

"What is the best shafting epoxy for Metal?"

If, as a golf pro, you told me that I shouldn't use Pro-V1 balls and based that on the the fact that my swing can't take advantage of the properties of that ball, and that I need something more like a Wilson 50, then we are dealing with proven certainties. If I continue to use the Pro-V in spite of all the scientific evidence to the contrary, you will form an opinion about me that is based in fact and either keep taking my money for lessons or suggest that I find another teacher.

If I ever made a hole in one and no one witnessed it, did it really happen? Yes it did! Would you believe me if I told you about it? You might. Can I publicly go around bragging about it? I could, but the golfer in me says "that's a big fat no-no". If there can be degrees of automatic, then there should be degrees of getting a hole in one. But degrees of either one of those things don't exists. Yet unless we both agree that they don't exist then it's just my opinion and yours.
 
Please make difference between playing and practising. Some mixes up both. But I can think that Jaco didn't practice for that long, just a short amount of time, then the rest of the day he created new music. Same with Hendrix.

I've done leaps of progression, if I stopped for a week or so. Picked up the bass, and was totally astonished of what I could coax out on the spot. But of course, NOT TOO LONG. I've heard that people like Eric Johnson gets rusty too fast, if he lays it off a bit, and must keep it up by just playing. Each day.
 
I play a lot. My observations:
Since 1991 I've practiced 4 hours a day - with breaks - which would amount to 2 or 3 hours of playing time. I do take an occasional day off. I do covers of Prog Rock stuff and it's very difficult for me, so it takes more work (cause I suck at bass...lol!) I've had no physical injuries from playing this much, so far. Lately, I've upped it to 6 hours a day (probably 4 hours playing time, with breaks) and I've noticed it takes a bit more concentration on relaxing, to avoid injury. My right forearm gets sore for the first half hour, playing the really fast stuff. So I take lots of breaks when warming up, I concentrate on relaxing my arm and then the pain goes away. I also add more days off now, to allow my muscles to recover, which seems to help. But, apart from a blister - which was my own stupid fault - I'm still feeling no lingering pain and lots of gain. I'm 55 years old, btw.
I'm sure people think I'm nuts for playing so much. I don't really care, as I'm not hurting anyone and I'm doing what I love.
Practice as much as you want, or can, to get to the level you want to achieve. Just be smart enough to know when pain is good and when it's bad. If you want to get better at anything, I'm guessing it's going to take some time and effort, which may involve a bit of pain. To me, it's worth it.
 
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Well, let me share my experience and some neuological stuff:
For a long time I tried practicing a couple of hours in one session but since I am doing alot of other stuff - university, work, sport, girlfriend and stuff - it came out that I practiced just two or three days a week. Not so effective in the end. Then there is reduced period of time in which I can concentrate and motivational problems. Every person and its brain work different psychological. That is not problematical as long as you know yourself and can deal with it.
So I changed my behavior.

Now my goal is to practise every day no matter how long. And it works! I say to myself: "Come on, even if it is just for five minutes!" Motivational problems to start? - Solved! After some minutes I am into it and always continue because it feels good. So I manage to play up to an hour every day. First technical exercises and after these excercise I feel the desire to apply the technices to real songs or just improvising.
Also I experienced that since I play every day on my base my technice has gotten alot cleaner. I guess here the magical "muscle memory" comes to use.

Muscle Memory does not mean your muscles have brain cells. It is a neurological term. Your brain develops new synapses and reinforces existing. Your brain areas for motion and coordination adapt to your physiological practise and you can intuitively use your body. Walking down a street is an incredibly complex movement but you can do it easily because you do it every day since you were born. Playing every day means your brain works on the motions every day like walking. It is more important to activate the areas of your brain frequently. Of course not just for two minutes but again and again and again. And of course it is important to vary from time to time on what you do to set a new stimulus for your brain.
I did not speak about the development of muscles. That is a different thing.